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Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by mattnewton »

Brendinooo wrote: post #12

>that means one of two things: 1) You are a suspect; 2) You are a possible suspect. While I suppose this is strictly true, the far more likely option for 2 is that you're a witness to the crime and you can therefore help that crime be solved. So, in a situation where I am approached by the police to answer questions about something I know I didn't do: 1. I talk, and it helps the police solve a case 2. I talk, and it…

I recommend watching the video, he makes an IMO excellent case that #1 without a lawyer really is a bad idea. You can still help solve the case in way that protects you, the stakes here are often incredibly high.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

The type of person who gets themselves in a situation where they can become a suspect is one that I can't see getting into. It makes me question what the person did to have this happen to them.

I lead a normal life. I've never gotten into a situation where this could ever possibly concern me. I'm betting the vast majority of people who visit HN (and aren't commenting here) wouldn't have this issue, either.

I do not fear the police. The police have helped me in several situations such as car accidents. At my business they discovered my back door open and, within minutes, caught the person who stole something. My car got side swiped overnight and they walked the street to see if any neighbor had a camera. And on and on.

You wouldn't find me in an illegal situation involving the police except if I happened to be there. But I wouldn't fear being hauled off to jail cause that just won't happen except on the internet.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by tennfown »

nilamo wrote: post #82
aquarious_ wrote: post #6

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Why would you give ammunition to someone who can shoot you with no negative consequences? They prove over and over that they can't be trusted, so the smart move is to take them at their word, and not trust them.

Replace the subject of police with politicians and then reread your sentence.

Many many people live every day like this.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by lwansbrough »

ceejayoz wrote: post #79
lwansbrough wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the point. The point is that a traffic stop is a traffic stop. Traffic stops, while they are Terry stops, also have separate governing rules, such as the fact that there is a failure to identify while operating a motor vehicle statute in every state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes > As of April 2008, 23 other states had similar laws. Additional states (including Arizona, Texas, South Dakota and Oregon) have such laws just for motorists , which penalize the failure to present a driver license during a traffic stop. A state may require it. A state does not have to require it. (To be clear, I'm handing over my license when asked regardless.…

And again, this is about stop and identify, which again covers both pedestrians and motor vehicle operators but does not preclude the requirement to identify oneself when operating a motor vehicle, which is covered by different statutes.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #33
SoftTalker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't talk, and it annoys the cop, so they fabricate evidence against you, or charge you with some other unrelated thing that they would have otherwise let slide.

if they are going to fabricate evidence, why do you think they wouldn't also do that if you do talk to them and you already match whoever they are looking for? Your position is just bonkers.

>if they are going to fabricate evidence, why do you think they wouldn't also do that if you do talk to them and you already match whoever they are looking for?

A huge amount of police work is vibes based "this guy looks sketchy, let's wait for him to do something and check him out" stuff. If you talk, they decide there's nothing to see here, move on.

If you don't talk in a clumsy way they decide you're up to no good and pull every trick in the book to get you. And they have plenty of tricks to construe the situation to their favor once they go down that path.

You absolutely can escalate what could've been a warning or simple ticket into a full fledged drug dog fake hit type stop by being obtuse. Or in the case of a real investigation escalate a "this ain't are guy" into a "put them on the short list and really go over them" (which you hope comes to nothing, but still).

>Your position is just bonkers.

Your position is just ignorant.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by ceejayoz »

lwansbrough wrote: post #85
ceejayoz wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes > As of April 2008, 23 other states had similar laws. Additional states (including Arizona, Texas, South Dakota and Oregon) have such laws just for motorists , which penalize the failure to present a driver license during a traffic stop. A state may require it. A state does not have to require it. (To be clear, I'm handing over my license when asked regardless.…

And again, this is about stop and identify, which again covers both pedestrians and motor vehicle operators but does not preclude the requirement to identify oneself when operating a motor vehicle, which is covered by different statutes.

"Additional states (including Arizona, Texas, South Dakota and Oregon) have such laws just for motorists" implies that others do not, correct?

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by Cider9986 »

FishAngular12 wrote: post #67
Cider9986 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking never helps, it cannot help. Nothing you say to cops can help you. Even if it's completely entirely true and they believe it and they like you and that's enough for me. It can only hurt you.

Actually it can help me if it helps solve a crime. The solving of a crime is good for society, actually. I live in a society, after all

Prevention of unethical behavior is good, but the scenario we are talking about is primarily police investigating you.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by lwansbrough »

ceejayoz wrote: post #88
lwansbrough wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And again, this is about stop and identify, which again covers both pedestrians and motor vehicle operators but does not preclude the requirement to identify oneself when operating a motor vehicle, which is covered by different statutes.

"Additional states (including Arizona, Texas, South Dakota and Oregon) have such laws just for motorists" implies that others do not , correct?

If a state does not have a law regarding stop and identify, that does not mean they do not have a law about identifying when operating a motor vehicle.
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