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UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

> Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification?

> People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this because it’s very hard to get a teenager to accept something that is not “normal” in their friend group.

It would follow from your argument a solution would be to make this normal. A solution to make this normal would be to classify as child abuse to give an under 16 more than short access to a device without parental controls.

This would not be a good law. But it would be less bad.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

#83
post #69

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You are really so naive to think that banning the big public social media sites is going to stop children from seeing bad things on the internet? I promise you, within a few years there is going to be an underground social media network or sites that are harder to monitor, don't give a shit what the UK government thinks, and definitely don't care about children's safety at all. They probably already exist.

You’re taking my argument to it’s extreme and giving it the least charitable interpretation. I want it to not be normal to spend all day on TikTok. If something is illegal and underground then it’s much easier for me as a parent to ban it for my kids

> You’re taking my argument to it’s extreme and giving it the least charitable interpretation.

No. You believed it would be effective was the most charitable interpretation.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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post #54

These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

#85
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are really so naive to think that banning the big public social media sites is going to stop children from seeing bad things on the internet? I promise you, within a few years there is going to be an underground social media network or sites that are harder to monitor, don't give a shit what the UK government thinks, and definitely don't care about children's safety at all. They probably already exist.

You’re taking my argument to it’s extreme and giving it the least charitable interpretation. I want it to not be normal to spend all day on TikTok. If something is illegal and underground then it’s much easier for me as a parent to ban it for my kids

>I want it to not be normal to spend all day on TikTok

I would like that too, but I genuinely believe these measures are going to make things worse for children, for the reason I explained.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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post #54

These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re taking my argument to it’s extreme and giving it the least charitable interpretation. I want it to not be normal to spend all day on TikTok. If something is illegal and underground then it’s much easier for me as a parent to ban it for my kids

> You’re taking my argument to it’s extreme and giving it the least charitable interpretation. No. You believed it would be effective was the most charitable interpretation.

I think there will be a 50%-80% reduction in social media use by teens. This is good enough.

There will always be people who get round the ban.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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post #57
post #54

These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

We focus on the evils of social media but never the positives and there ARE positives. Also society giving up the keys to privacy is not a solution here, the think of the children crowd would rather the state be the arbiter of morality and society than educate their kids properly.

This is very true. I'm not a huge fan of social media, but all the discussions seem to cherry pick stats and lack nuance. Politics is the new religion.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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post #72

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> These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, These laws exist because people will believe any nonsense if they see it repeated enough times in news headlines. "Social media", as presently incarnated, depending on what definition you choose, may be somewhat damaging to some people, including some children. That does not justify ghettoizing all children. It also doesn't justify creating (y…

If you are unable to empathise with people who support the ban and dismiss them (and me) as idiots then your political action is unlikely to be successful. Every dad I know who works in tech supports some kind of restriction on social media/smartphones for kids. The argument is how to do it, not whether we should.

Speaking only for myself: worked in tech for 2+ decades. Teen kids. Don't support any kind of ban whatsoever. My job is to teach my kids about the world and innoculate them against the evil. They are going to be adults before long, and this is their time to learn. Bans don't help them learn, education does.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

#90
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, These laws exist because people will believe any nonsense if they see it repeated enough times in news headlines. "Social media", as presently incarnated, depending on what definition you choose, may be somewhat damaging to some people, including some children. That does not justify ghettoizing all children. It also doesn't justify creating (y…

If you are unable to empathise with people who support the ban and dismiss them (and me) as idiots then your political action is unlikely to be successful. Every dad I know who works in tech supports some kind of restriction on social media/smartphones for kids. The argument is how to do it, not whether we should.

If the price of privacy is children, damn the children. We're having fewer (nowhere near few enough, but fewer) of them anyway, they should not be used as a reason to restrict everyone else. Especially as they become that everyone else after a few short years.
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