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EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#81

If American services can be yeeted on a whim, American services can no longer be relied upon. The Fable debacle seems destined to be the canonical reason why the EU built their own software / AI ecosystem.

Its especially funny in light the US is always complaining about EU regulations. I would still prefer bureacratic laws to the chaos of the White House.

And it’s not like the US doesn’t have complex regulations

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#82

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Don’t forget Deutsche Bahn, and the best railway system in whole world

LOL....I just went trough the experience of trying to buy a bus ticket, at the Machines of DB in Munich Airport. I challenged two German citizens, who were kind enough to help, and they could not manage. I think a YT Video about it would take on millions on views. Oh and the bus,no cards...debit or credit...only cash...oh wait...only coins. German precision...the fairytale adults tell mechanics.

Can you even buy bus tickets via dbahn? Buses are local, they are different systems. FWIW you’re better off using the mobile apps than trying to use the machines

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#83

Hopefully it will prompt more EU investment into ai and hopefully EU will have something good in the future. EU will maybe never be like the US and maybe the US will be stronger and richer than the EU... But us EU people have nice weather and lots of good things like small cars and bike lanes and soccer teams and socker teams and suckerteams and lots and lots of windmills and sea windmills small tiny farms that are s…

Don’t forget Deutsche Bahn, and the best railway system in whole world

Im not sure if it’s a joke or not. In Germany Deutsche Bahn has a terrible reputation since half a decade at least

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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I think due to a variety of reasons EU and US are on a road to divorce. EU will be wise to make that happen on their terms, but they do not seem to be ready. - Monopolies and related regulation. Of course US has its own companies being treated as monopolies so they will try to save them - Social systems including healthcare - Russia being next door vs far away (for US) - The whole AI buildout - A little bit of Libre…

>EU will be wise to make that happen on their terms, but they do not seem to be ready. It's too late for this. The time to execute this was 20 years ago when EU had leverage (the EU stock market was bigger than the US one in 2004, now it's half). Now that leverage is gone and EU is bogged down with massive domestic issues it can't recover from (some of which you mentioned), and starting a massive tech IP/trade war no…

Most of the issues you mentioned are more likely to be specific to you own country. The EU is pretty limited in what it can do due to Europe being so afraid to federate

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#85
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL....I just went trough the experience of trying to buy a bus ticket, at the Machines of DB in Munich Airport. I challenged two German citizens, who were kind enough to help, and they could not manage. I think a YT Video about it would take on millions on views. Oh and the bus,no cards...debit or credit...only cash...oh wait...only coins. German precision...the fairytale adults tell mechanics.

Can you even buy bus tickets via dbahn? Buses are local, they are different systems. FWIW you’re better off using the mobile apps than trying to use the machines

You are supposed to, and I managed only with the help of sending each screen to an LLM, while in English, but the English of the machines is broken.

For example when it gets the moment to pay in German, there would be a link to pay, but it wont enable the pin machine because it says in English "pay via association". You have to be an half genius to understand they are referring in English, via a broken translation, to The Munich Transport and Tariff Association (MVV) that provides the overarching framework for local public transport in Munich, but of course you wont have their card.

Oh and despite taking the money ok, when the machine prints the ticket, the machine fails to print the bar code in 60% of the cases...

The online info says you can go to the DB counter, and request them to print you a card with the proper bar code, that the bus inspectors need to scan. After 20 minutes on the queue, the most arrogant employee there refused to do it, laughed and said it was not worth it, as the machines fail to print the bar code 50% of the time. It gets you a "Barcodedruck fehlgeschlagen" message in the ticket, so the controls at the bus are forced to ignore it ...or they can decide to give you a fine...German precision my a#%"#&

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#86
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This is a wake up call for EU, but it’s already too late IMO. ChatGPT was launched in 2022 and since then only company in EU which has released a model that is even closer to a frontiers is Mistral. With strong data protection, copyright and privacy laws, it would be a nightmare for any company to train models because activists lawyers would sue left and right. Even by some miracle they come up with the model, again…

Regarding AWS, we have Gcore, OVH, Hetzner

You are comparing cars to bicycles.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#87

Odd title, I’m not sure it was Anthropic’s decision. Practically this means Europe has a short window in which to catch up, while the US hobbles its own progress.

How are we going to catch up if our most talented AI people have moved to Silicon Valley and get 10x the compensation they would get back home. The most egregious example: the core OpenAI team is like forty per cent Polish...?

10x? More like 1000x. EU doesn't have a chance except providing training for those talent only to be then aquired by US tech behemoths paying them what they are actually worth

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

#88

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Why _too_ late? Late, yes, but you’re implying that some line was crossed.

Yes, the time to take action has been 10 years ago. In order to catch up with US and China, EU would have to accelerate assuming US and China would stagnate(which is not the case). At current rate EU would always be catching up. I would love to hear if you can think of any plan on how EU can overtake US and China on AI advancement

Aren't you assuming that current approaches to AI won't plateau?

There's only so far you can push things before you need breakthroughs that give new approaches and when that happens it is often a new playing field.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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>To be fair the value of the stock market is not a good indicator of progress. Where did I talk about it being "progres"? I said the value of the stock market represents economic leverage which the EU lost and is now at the mercy of foreign bullies with stronger economies(US and CHina). If you want your trading partners to respect you and your values and not back-stab you the moment you turn around, you need leverage…

Call it progress, call it "economic leverage", a very inflated stock market is no good measure for either. It's true the US economy has grown faster than the European in the last two decades, for sure, I agree with you. It's just that the apparent magnitude of the difference depends on what metric you choose, and I just mean that the value of the stock market seems like a poor metric.

>a very inflated stock market is no good measure for either.

It absolutely is. If my assets are worth twice as much as yours, I have more options to mess with you, and you have less resources to fight me back.

It's how rich people can bully poor people in court. It's how rich countries can bully poorer countries.

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