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An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by hollerith »

stouset wrote: post #75
hollerith wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet you are here, a site completely devoid of emoji.

Because the social norms of this place currently discourage it. I also don’t use contractions in formal writing settings. Does that make them bad?

I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011.

But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would.

There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common and can be used freely.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by stouset »

hollerith wrote: post #81
stouset wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the social norms of this place currently discourage it. I also don’t use contractions in formal writing settings. Does that make them bad?

I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011. But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would. There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common…

You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Does that mean that face-to-face discussions aren't useful? I walk on sidewalks where cars are prohibited. Does that mean that cars aren't useful? I drive on highways where pedestrians are prohibited. Does that mean walking isn't useful?

Whatever point you're trying to make, this is an extremely ineffective argument for it. You’re in “checkmate, atheists” territory here.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by zzo38computer »

raincole wrote: post #40

Off topic: Perhaps it's just me, but I have a pet peeve about emojis in anything formal. Even before LLMs, I instinctively took a repo less seriously when README.md had emojis in every section. And now LLMs have popularized that style, it's the first signal for me to vibe-detect AI repos. I do use emojis. I love them, actually, but only in message apps.

I do not use emoji and I do not have (and do not want) colourful emoji on my computer (emoji as ordinary text characters would be acceptable for the purpose of displaying texts that have emoji, but I don't really need to that much, even if the texts have them, so I can do without that, too). The reason does not have to do with AI; I think that things can rarely be explained better with emoji, and is usually better to explain by text, and sometimes also diagrams will help (for computer programs, having good documentation is very helpful). (I also don't like Unicode.)

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by mannykannot »

stouset wrote: post #62
frollogaston wrote: post #56

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I don't like to see them anywhere. They were cool for a while back in version 1.0 when there were a few that everyone knew and used in creative ways, before Apple* decided to make so many that you need a search bar. It's kinda like Pokémon. At this point I only get them in text messages from old people. * yeah I know technically the Unicode Consortium, but Apple pushed it hard

Emoji (and their predecessor, emoticons) are IMO the greatest new feature for written language that has happened in generations. Eschewing them is certainly a choice you can make, but I personally think it's a poor one. Authors can now bundle emotional sentiment in text communication. Not being able to do this in the past was usually just an annoyance but could occasionally turn out to be extremely problematic. Count…

If only Keats or Plath had emoji!

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by stouset »

mannykannot wrote: post #84
stouset wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emoji (and their predecessor, emoticons) are IMO the greatest new feature for written language that has happened in generations. Eschewing them is certainly a choice you can make, but I personally think it's a poor one. Authors can now bundle emotional sentiment in text communication. Not being able to do this in the past was usually just an annoyance but could occasionally turn out to be extremely problematic. Count…

If only Keats or Plath had emoji!

People surely thought a similar sentiment about spaces between words and punctuation.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by frollogaston »

hollerith wrote: post #81
stouset wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the social norms of this place currently discourage it. I also don’t use contractions in formal writing settings. Does that make them bad?

I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011. But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would. There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common…

Isn't there a comic about this kind of argument? I don't think emojis add anything, but lack of emojis on HN doesn't say anything about that, other than the creator probably doesn't like them either.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by mannykannot »

stouset wrote: post #85
mannykannot wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Keats or Plath had emoji!

People surely thought a similar sentiment about spaces between words and punctuation.

Anyone claiming those developments enabled the expression of something previously inexpressible would have been mistaken.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by mannykannot »

stouset wrote: post #82
hollerith wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the site owner actively filters them out and has been doing so ever since you joined this site in 2011. But no matter the reason for the complete lack of emoji, the fact that you like this site enough to participate here is evidence that emoji don't actually improve public discussion as much as you think they would. There are many many sites on which you could have chosen to participate where emoji are common…

You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Does that mean that face-to-face discussions aren't useful? I walk on sidewalks where cars are prohibited. Does that mean that cars aren't useful? I drive on highways where pedestrians are prohibited. Does that mean walking isn't useful? Whatever point you're trying to make, this is an extremely ineffective argument for it. You’re in “checkm…

> You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations.

Nothing about the comment you are replying to implies an abstinence from face-to-face conversations, and the suggestion is not very plausible.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by stouset »

mannykannot wrote: post #88
stouset wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Does that mean that face-to-face discussions aren't useful? I walk on sidewalks where cars are prohibited. Does that mean that cars aren't useful? I drive on highways where pedestrians are prohibited. Does that mean walking isn't useful? Whatever point you're trying to make, this is an extremely ineffective argument for it. You’re in “checkm…

> You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Nothing about the comment you are replying to implies an abstinence from face-to-face conversations, and the suggestion is not very plausible.

It seems you understand my point.

Re: An interview with an Apple emoji designer

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Post by mannykannot »

stouset wrote: post #89
mannykannot wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You choose to participate here instead of having face-to-face conversations. Nothing about the comment you are replying to implies an abstinence from face-to-face conversations, and the suggestion is not very plausible.

It seems you understand my point.

I take your point, as demonstrated here, that even straightforward written language can be completely misunderstood, and that emoji might help alleviate that, though how they could help in the particular case here is not clear to me.
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