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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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A very prolific coworker who fully embraced claude has inflicted the team with a flood of AI-generated PRs. About six months later, it is his frequent bemoaning at the standup that their PR don't get reviewed, languishing in inattention. I don't think anyone - including myself - _intentionally_ avoid his PRs. It's just that he doesn't make it easy for the team to look at. This single headline perfectly captures what…

just fire him lol sounds like a nightmare

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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post #73

It surprises me how many people have voluntarily relegated their entire job to LLM Prompter. If your work is indistinguishable from that of a machine, what’s to stop your boss cutting out the middleman and using the machine directly? I would have thought that people would be trying their hardest to prove their worth in this new world we’re in.

having worked in tech and now running my own company..

the honest truth is that maybe 10-20% of SWE (at best) are “good”. sure it is harsh but i won't lie. if you're good you'll probably relate.

the rest kind of suck.

i’ve never gotten anything lower than Exceeds Expectations in my career so I’ve seen how awful some engineers were. i’ve seen how amazing a tiny minority were and i made them my mentors.

these days i have a simple policy.

if they cannot think, they are fired. why waste resources (time and money) on someone who can’t use their brain? i’d rather give AI credits to someone who uses their brain.

thinking is the humans job. the ai needs to execute on what the human thought of, improved, planned.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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I grant the lol-concept, but citizens monitoring their government is extremely different from governments monitoring their citizens.

Citizens monitoring their government is literally THE foundation of democracy (ok, maybe voting comes before it, but then you have to monitor who you voted for to see if they’re doing what you voted for).

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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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post #73

It surprises me how many people have voluntarily relegated their entire job to LLM Prompter. If your work is indistinguishable from that of a machine, what’s to stop your boss cutting out the middleman and using the machine directly? I would have thought that people would be trying their hardest to prove their worth in this new world we’re in.

having worked in tech and now running my own company.. the honest truth is that maybe 10-20% of SWE (at best) are “good”. sure it is harsh but i won't lie. if you're good you'll probably relate. the rest kind of suck. i’ve never gotten anything lower than Exceeds Expectations in my career so I’ve seen how awful some engineers were. i’ve seen how amazing a tiny minority were and i made them my mentors. these days i ha…

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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

#85
If the agent does everything for you it means it can do everything for the next person. At that point you're replaceable and have no value in your field. Learn things deeply even if you use AI because its the deep knowledge workers that will keep getting hired.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

#86
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> Ask Fable to conduct an adversarial /ultareview of their PR and send the same wall of text back to them. This won't help. Your wall of text will just get fed right back into the LLM.

As a last resort, do the code-review with a live pair programming session. If they can't explain their own code then it is by default a bad pull request. At the end of the day, everyone's time is being wasted on tokens and on the increasing cognitive complexity of AI generated code.

So if they say "idk Claude did it", what would you write in the PR review box?

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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post #75

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As a last resort, do the code-review with a live pair programming session. If they can't explain their own code then it is by default a bad pull request. At the end of the day, everyone's time is being wasted on tokens and on the increasing cognitive complexity of AI generated code.

So if they say "idk Claude did it", what would you write in the PR review box?

REJECTED: Engineer does not understand what they wrote.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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post #86
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a last resort, do the code-review with a live pair programming session. If they can't explain their own code then it is by default a bad pull request. At the end of the day, everyone's time is being wasted on tokens and on the increasing cognitive complexity of AI generated code.

So if they say "idk Claude did it", what would you write in the PR review box?

A teammate that can't write (or at least, can't explain) "their own code"

Actively drags down the morale and productivity of their team (because everyone is getting flooded with AI slop PR's)

AND costs far too much money relative to everyone else doing actual work? (token usage)

By god they sound like management material

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Fight fire with fire. Ask Fable to conduct an adversarial /ultareview of their PR and send the same wall of text back to them. If there are excessive defects, ask them in standup if they actually reviewed the PR themselves before sending it. If there aren’t maybe they are on to something. I think like in law, the human submitting the work is responsible for its quality, not the AI.

> Ask Fable to conduct an adversarial /ultareview of their PR and send the same wall of text back to them. This won't help. Your wall of text will just get fed right back into the LLM.

It helps in that it offloads the code review burden you'd otherwise be doing.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

#90
post #70

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> Ask Fable to conduct an adversarial /ultareview of their PR and send the same wall of text back to them. This won't help. Your wall of text will just get fed right back into the LLM.

It will help if your wall of text cost less tokens than theirs, they will run out before you do if you have the same company quota per person.

I'm not sure what the right vocabulary would be to describe this, but this sounds more like the calculations behind nuclear war than a healthy collegiality or cooperative work relationship. This sets up a competition to determine a loser based on resource scarcity, not a way to achieve mutual goals to advance the organization's goals.
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