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Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by hs86 »

tda wrote: post #12

I run Nextcloud at home with 1.5TB of files and 2 users, on a reasonably sized server. It is painfully slow. Still better than OneDrive, but only just: synscing takes forever, never reaching a fraction of available bandwidth. Upload from my phone is flaky, often hangs and needs manual intervention. It is a battery drain. The whole experience with add-ons and the general UI feels like a 2010 PHP app. I am grateful Nex…

Weirdly, the decision to use PHP was justified back then by the easy deployment of the tarball on some shared webhoster. Open yourwebsite.com/owncloud, enter your database credentials, and you already have your instance running.

Now that use case is gone, everyone is expected to use their big Docker image, but the server is still written in PHP. I can't shake the feeling that some people just don't want to give up the tools they are used to and have stuck with them for a bit too long.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by hagbard_c »

lgcmo wrote: post #50
drnick1 wrote: post #18

Nextcloud is great, I self-host an instance at home. I mostly use the calendar, address book, and file sharing with links a la Google Drive. It's probably heavier and slower than it should be for what it does, but it works. Just like Home Assistant, it is a "must have" tool for self-hosters.

What's your experience like? Lot's of people say that's a mess to maintain and too broken to actively use. I often doubt if that's due to actual problems, or mix with that and bad decisions on the setup. Is dockering, keeping the data handling itself outside of it and a few other easy (or not so much) precautions enough to have a somewhat smoother sailing? Also, how much time do you need to keep things from failing a…

I've self-hosted first Owncloud from version 2.x, then moved to Nextcloud when it became clear that was the better option. Early versions could end up non-functional due to update glitches but for the last 3-4 years or so it has been mostly smooth sailing with here and there a glitch due to some app introducing a system-wide behavioural change - looking at you, Richdocuments/Nextcloud Office, stop adding headers to each and every app which cause things like Maps and News to stop functioning. Developing apps for it can sometimes be tedious due to frequent API deprecations which cause a lot of bitrot which in turn means you're own your own when it comes to less frequently updated apps.

It certainly is good enough for active use and, given a well-maintained collection of apps hardly takes any time to maintain. I'd say give it a go, it is free after all.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by jacomoRodriguez »

vitally3643 wrote: post #44
imalerba wrote: post #36

I left nextcloud because how slow it felt even on my beefy server. I switched to opencloud.eu, it might have less features but it's just what I needed

Seriously. I ran it on a server with two Xeon CPUs and 128GB of RAM. The web interface took minutes to do anything. Browsing a large photo library was just completely unworkable (and that was before they ripped out all the sorting and filtering features from the photo library). My instance killed itself somehow, likely a failed auto update. I was, of course, using the default docker setup with the watchtower instance…

I run mine in hetzner cloud with 4vcpu, 8gb of ram. Via AIO including recognize, colabora and whiteboard. It runs very smooth, even when I access my photos, which number in are 100.000+ I guess you have some config / setup issues

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by jacomoRodriguez »

tda wrote: post #12

I run Nextcloud at home with 1.5TB of files and 2 users, on a reasonably sized server. It is painfully slow. Still better than OneDrive, but only just: synscing takes forever, never reaching a fraction of available bandwidth. Upload from my phone is flaky, often hangs and needs manual intervention. It is a battery drain. The whole experience with add-ons and the general UI feels like a 2010 PHP app. I am grateful Nex…

Forget the official phone client and use FolderSync. It integrates perfectly (and seamlessly) to the nextcloud dav endpoint and you have way more options to fine-tune how and when and what you want to upload.

There are so many bugs in the phone clients, I ditched it two years ago, since then I'm super happy with the whole thing!

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #40

NextCloud Notes is frustratingly broken for offline use. The UI bricks itself with its own error messages when it can't phone home to the server. Even notes which are marked in the app as "Make available offline" don't work offline! The iOS applications also are quite poor. For example the home screen widget has never shown me any of my favorited items even though it should, I have many favorited items, it is fully s…

Worse are the clients which, in some error states, make regular login attempts, triggering Nextcloud's login lock, locking out users who have no clue what's going on. I like Nextcloud overall, but I wish it was more stable.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by c_prompt »

cheschire wrote: post #38
maxloh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nextcloud is written in PHP, which doesn't sound scalable to me. OwnCloud is written in Go but employs an open-core model. Some features are locked behind a proprietary paywall.

“OwnCloud infinite scale” is written in Go. But ownCloud 10 is php. I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10. They’re committed to security updates for 10 but it’s a small company. I doubt it will get much attention sadly.

> I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10.

I literally just finished my move from Nextcloud to ocis yesterday (Docker). There were so many silly issues (e.g., I spent 2 full days trying to figure out why an image was getting a 500 error, only to learn ocis doesn't support tall images). I have a full install script and integrated motomo too. So ping me if you want to give it another shot. (I deployed Baikal to replace dav functionality.)

Nextcloud has all sorts of problems and bloat. It's not worth it anymore to me.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by gh02t »

ezst wrote: post #6

Upgraded yesterday, I only use a small amount of features (files, memories, calendar, tasks). It sucks that tasks isn't compatible yet (but I mostly use DAVx⁵/Tasks.org as front-end), and it sucks that the landing page still pulls close to 20MB or so, but besides that, nothing to report one way or another.

Oh man, tasks isn't compatible yet? Thanks for mentioning that, I guess I'll wait a bit to upgrade.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by longitudinal93 »

0fflineuser wrote: post #56
NaiveBayesian wrote: post #49

I love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?

Host it in your home an use a vpn to connect to your home network when you are outside, that way it isn't exposed to the internet but you can still access it.

But then you are losing the ability to use it for file sharing ala Google Drive or Dropbox.

I simply moved mine behing a random string with the home of the domain completely innocuous (an HTML re-direct elsewhere)

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by longitudinal93 »

bityard wrote: post #67
3lpsy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I host my entire homelab in my home and use tailscale to access it. You just connect your nextcloud instance to tailscale. Then you connect each client to tailscale. Works on iOS and android (and of course any desktop). When you're on you're home network (LAN), tailscale _should_ use the LAN IP for routing. And then when away, you'll route over derp servers usually. You could also use tailscale for auth, but i like t…

That works okay if you are the only user. I use quite a few Nextcloud features where access via tailscale is either inconvenient or impossible. My whole family uses the calendar on their phones and other devices, which means they would have to either learn about VPNs, or I would be the one managing all their devices for them. (Neither are likely to happen.) I also often share individual files or folders with external…

Move it behind a random string (i.e. https://yourdomain.com/gd5mka93) and leave something simple and inoccuoua at the root.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future

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Post by smartbit »

c_prompt wrote: post #86
cheschire wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“OwnCloud infinite scale” is written in Go. But ownCloud 10 is php. I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10. They’re committed to security updates for 10 but it’s a small company. I doubt it will get much attention sadly.

> I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10. I literally just finished my move from Nextcloud to ocis yesterday (Docker). There were so many silly issues (e.g., I spent 2 full days trying to figure out why an image was getting a 500 error, only to learn ocis doesn't support tall images). I have a full install script and integrated motomo too. So ping me if you want to give it anot…

> ocis doesn't support tall images

You mean no portrait?

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