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Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by tralarpa »

binarymax wrote: post #69
idle_zealot wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this stage I think the way to realize this "cheap computer" vision is in unlocking smartphones. Either with an OS that behaves like a real computer that you can put on an old/cheap commodity phone, or with an app that creates a programmable environment layered over and isolated from the suffocating mobile OS.

The 80s kid in me still thinks dropping someone into a linux shell with a bunch of tools and no internet access is the best learning environment. Kids these days with their fancy tiktoks and such need to summon the old ways.

The 80s kid me lived in a small town with no access to technical manuals or people who could help. The developer manuals for $80 each or a compuserve account to get access to the source code examples of the manufacturer were completely out of reach. What could I have built with the information that is now available for free...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by forty »

retired wrote: post #44

I’m surprised to see those legacy USB ports on a board where space savings is important. Do they do it for backwards compatibility with older cases and housings? And am I correct to see that the USB-C only does power? How do you connect your pheripherals to this board?

Looks like all the USB-A devices purchased over the past 30 years have not been trashed and some people still use them.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by ianburrell »

Aurornis wrote: post #62
Saris wrote: post #26

I really struggle to see where this fits in to most use cases. The appeal of the Pi back in the first iterations was being a relatively cheap linux computer with GPIO.

This (the 16GB version) should not fit into most use cases. You’re buying an expensive RAM chip with a Pi attached. The cheaper 4GB or even 1GB versions ($50 for the latter) are what most people should be looking at for their projects.

I have decided that the Pi4 1GB is the ideal for hobbyists. Faster than Pi3, takes normal USB-C charging, and can do most single server or electronics jobs. Which is why it is currently sold out.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by retired »

CDRdude wrote: post #56
retired wrote: post #44

I’m surprised to see those legacy USB ports on a board where space savings is important. Do they do it for backwards compatibility with older cases and housings? And am I correct to see that the USB-C only does power? How do you connect your pheripherals to this board?

I think legacy USB peripherals are very common. Almost all of my peripherals are legacy USB; I think I only own a single USB-C peripheral. Old stuff still works, so I don't need to buy new ones.

Interesting. I don’t own any legacy USB equipment anymore, everything is USB-C now. I started phasing out my old equipment ten years ago and everything from the past five years has had USB-C as standard. Even my shaver chargers over USB-C.

I guess that the people who use $350 boards also mainly use USB-C. Unless you want to connect old hardware to it but I don’t see that use-case.

Not being able to connect my devices to this board is a blocker for me.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by retired »

forty wrote: post #82
retired wrote: post #44

I’m surprised to see those legacy USB ports on a board where space savings is important. Do they do it for backwards compatibility with older cases and housings? And am I correct to see that the USB-C only does power? How do you connect your pheripherals to this board?

Looks like all the USB-A devices purchased over the past 30 years have not been trashed and some people still use them.

Understandable but I would have preferred a couple of fully functional USB-C ports and then have people use dongles for using old hardware on this board. Similar to using a serial adapter.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

Or one can also get a better specification i5 or Ryzen 4650U laptop for https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100017489%204016%20601497625%2...

Dram prices and Flash prices are inflated right now, but the pi were never focused on Desktop users. As a platform it no longer makes sense for many use cases. =3

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by mghackerlady »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #76
Aurornis wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This (the 16GB version) should not fit into most use cases. You’re buying an expensive RAM chip with a Pi attached. The cheaper 4GB or even 1GB versions ($50 for the latter) are what most people should be looking at for their projects.

My personal fave RPi, the Zero W, is still $15 from Adafruit.

I really wish they made a new Zero that doesn't use ddr2 ram to ensure that it can still be made far into the future. As far as I'm aware, nobody is making ddr2 anymore

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by idle_zealot »

tralarpa wrote: post #81
binarymax wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 80s kid in me still thinks dropping someone into a linux shell with a bunch of tools and no internet access is the best learning environment. Kids these days with their fancy tiktoks and such need to summon the old ways.

The 80s kid me lived in a small town with no access to technical manuals or people who could help. The developer manuals for $80 each or a compuserve account to get access to the source code examples of the manufacturer were completely out of reach. What could I have built with the information that is now available for free...

> What could I have built with the information that is now available for free...

Probably nothing. That free info also comes with YouTube and TikTok and every TV show and movie and game on demand. You have to be very disciplined to focus on difficult topics in a sea of easier and more gratifying entertainment.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by giobox »

ge96 wrote: post #5

That price I'd just buy an Optiplex or something I have 4 RPi servers in my house on 24/7 but yeah Funny different purpose but I bought a 2017 Pixelbook put Ubuntu on it, great machine it was $80

Similar situation, one thing I like the with the Pis design is you can throw PoE hats on them and build a whole home infrastructure system where the only thing that needs battery backup for power cuts is the main ethernet switch - all of the essential services, switches and wifi APs are powered downstream by their ethernet ports over PoE.

Makes making your key network services (VPN, firewall, DNS, NTP, home assistant etc) on battery backup very easy, as just one plug to the primary switch to keep powered, and my wifi/internet stays on when the power cuts.

I could use other devices, but 5 pis with PoE hats rack mount very cleanly in a single 1U row and passively cooled with no fan noise etc.

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