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macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by theshrike79 »

tstenner wrote: post #22
theshrike79 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe this, the fight should be against PlayStation and Xbox. They’re 100% commodity hardware and fully locked down from any user freedom. Weirdly everyone focuses on Apple with all their might instead of gaming consoles.

Because gaming consoles are for a very specific purpose (and sold as such – the ruling against Sony for blocking Linux on the PS3 only happened because they advertised Linux compatibility) and Macs are general purpose computers

And PS3 had Linux support because of EU taxes :)

Game consoles had a higher import tax than "computers" -> allow linux, save money.

IIRC they did a similar thing with the PS2 with some janky-ass BASIC interpreter being available.

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by theshrike79 »

Rohansi wrote: post #52
theshrike79 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe this, the fight should be against PlayStation and Xbox. They’re 100% commodity hardware and fully locked down from any user freedom. Weirdly everyone focuses on Apple with all their might instead of gaming consoles.

They are actually not commodity hardware. The PlayStation and Xbox CPU/GPU is custom built for the console. Try finding a CPU that can use GDDR RAM!

Why would I need to "find a CPU"? It's there inside the console.

I should be able to put in a Linux DVD or memory stick and install Linux on it.

Or at the _very_ least an alternative app store.

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by wtallis »

duskwuff wrote: post #70
bigyabai wrote: post #64

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macOS, as shipped, is only Unix-like. Even when configured to pass UNIX certification, it doesn't qualify without the temporary waivers: if you want your installation of macOS 15.0 to pass the UNIX® 03 certification test suites, you need to disable System Integrity Protection, enable the root account, enable core file generation, disable timeout coalescing, mount any APFS partitions with the strictatime option, forma…

As an aside: > ... copy the binaries uucp, uuname, uustat, and uux from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin and the binaries uucico and uuxqt from /usr/sbin to /usr/local/bin ... This should be your hint that UNIX certification is more of a box-checking exercise than a real test of functionality. UUCP has been functionally obsolete since at least the mid-1990s; it's surprising that macOS even bothers shipping its binaries, an…

It doesn't look like the certification requires those UUCP binaries to be in /usr/local, that's just where you have to put them on macOS to be able to `chmod +s` them, which is what the certification actually requires. Less arbitrary, but even more clearly obsolete and bad practice for a modern OS.

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by kjs3 »

vsgherzi wrote: post #10

It seems like this is a bug, apple went through the trouble to allow something like asahi to be possible in the first place. I doubt they're purposely trying to break it.

You get clicks for "Apple bad", not for "there was this boot flag and once we figured that out problem solved".

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by kjs3 »

officeplant wrote: post #30
WorldPeas wrote: post #3

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what about the ones from CIX like the orangepi or their framework mainboard? (though I agree, I miss UEFI for all its faults)

Those are currently suffering from high power draw because they have to keep the cores awake for memory speeds. Lackluster performance as well, but thats the problem with the majority of the ARM ecosystem ever since apple started crafting SoCs.

I must have missed something...what does Apple creating M-series have to do with Allwinner, Qualcom, Mediatek, AWS, and the rest of the ARM ecosystem having 'lackluster performance'?

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by charcircuit »

Rohansi wrote: post #55
charcircuit wrote: post #40

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Macs are specialized in running macOS and its app ecosystem and integrating with other Apple devices. Apple don't advertise Linux compatibility.

So what you're saying is it would be acceptable for Microsoft and PC manufacturers to lock down their hardware to running Windows only? Most ship with Windows so why not?

As long as consumers understand that is the kind of device they are purchasing then it is acceptable.

It is cheaper for hardware manufacturers to only support a single operating system instead of designing a platform to be used by many. It also makes security simpler.

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by bigyabai »

kjs3 wrote: post #84
vsgherzi wrote: post #10

It seems like this is a bug, apple went through the trouble to allow something like asahi to be possible in the first place. I doubt they're purposely trying to break it.

You get clicks for "Apple bad", not for "there was this boot flag and once we figured that out problem solved".

It's Apple's bootloader. They were the ones that chose to use iBoot and not implement UEFI-style booting like prior Macs.

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by throawayonthe »

bigyabai wrote: post #87
kjs3 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get clicks for "Apple bad", not for "there was this boot flag and once we figured that out problem solved".

It's Apple's bootloader. They were the ones that chose to use iBoot and not implement UEFI-style booting like prior Macs.

...why would they, this is a strict improvement with less surface area

Re: macOS 27 Beta breaks the ability to boot Asahi Linux

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Post by josephcsible »

GeekyBear wrote: post #25
vsgherzi wrote: post #10

It seems like this is a bug, apple went through the trouble to allow something like asahi to be possible in the first place. I doubt they're purposely trying to break it.

Apple designed a bootloader for Apple Silicon Macs that allows you to run an unsigned OS without degrading security when you boot into MacOS. This wasn't an accident. Macs have always allowed you to run another OS. iDevices have always had a locked bootloader. People shouldn't confuse the two.

They're different for now, but it's frog-boiling. Apple has been steadily adding more and more hoops to the process for Macs, and eventually they are going to end up as locked down as iPhones.
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