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Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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"Email addresses always have a 'normal' TLD" I registered a ".consulting" domain for my little company when they became available, and it has proved highly problematic ever since. Strangely (or perhaps not) it seems to be the larger players that have the most problems. I would at lest have expected ISPs and comms companies to keep up with this (looking at you, Three)

Another anecdote, I no longer use my ‘.email’ email address for the same reason.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

#82
This all old hat, unfortunately, and also a thing which will be gotten wrong by developers for years to come. Just shouting 'give me a regex for validating email addresses' will make an LLM like ChatGPT happily output bullshit suggesting some overlong regex which is flawed precisely as outlined by the linked article, even though no one is arguing for those long unmaintainable regexes once they've seen the light.

Ah well.

Where there is still room for improvement is in how email addresses are often made a little bit anonymous by a lot of websites. Did you ever see something like 'j*h@gmail.com'? Oh wow, that neatly leaves out John Smith's full name! Like showing only the last four numbers of an IBAN or credit card.

Except for us edge cases with a personal domain, where I then get 'm*l@myfullname.nl'. So stop that. Store it next to the bit of knowledge about validating email addresses — the bits of knowledge you use to correct junior developers and senior idiots.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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post #78

"Email addresses always have a 'normal' TLD" I registered a ".consulting" domain for my little company when they became available, and it has proved highly problematic ever since. Strangely (or perhaps not) it seems to be the larger players that have the most problems. I would at lest have expected ISPs and comms companies to keep up with this (looking at you, Three)

I once worked for a company that had a .company gTLD but not the .com It was also a bloody nuisance. Spam filters were one thing but there were so many validation forms that failed. Every reasonable variation of the company name as a .com/.net/.org was taken, including company.com Ugh, what a nightmare. Domain holders are the landed gentry of tomorrow if we keep this up.

> Every reasonable variation of the company name as a .com/.net/.org was taken, including company.com

Even then it seems better to come up with a different prefix, or suffix (or both!), just to stay with ‘.com’.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I did the same, my personal homepage used to have a ‘.xyz’ address.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

#84
It's not lies. And it's not about me either. If I collect email address, it will be used somewhere, someday, in god knows what app. If I'm the one collecting the email, I will make it as restrictive at possible so that it doesn't causes issues down the line. If it's too different than John.Doe_123@example.com, it's best to reject it.

For robust systems the goal was never to allow user type any technically valid email. It is to allow only emails that will not cause issues in the future.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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post #42

I have a gmail address that at least three other people think is their address. I constantly get emails for the dumb stuff they sign up for. NONE of them ever have an "I didn't request this" link. I mean, I get it. That won't make them money, but oh man is it annoying.

I get scammers using my email to sign up for websites, but they very obviously cannot login to my account. I often wonder what is in it for them. I'm sure someone on HN can tell me!

Commission schemes, possibly. Sign up with their code and they get something out of it. So they submit 10000 harvested addresses, and hope some small % of them think it's something they signed up for and complete the registration process.

You'd think big companies would know better than enlisting spammers to spam on their behalf, but I'm pretty sure Netflix had a scheme like this a few years ago. "Grow at any costs" sites like streaming or social media are probably happy with a tiny bit of plausible deniability for their spamming.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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Email is just like physical mail and thankfully just as endearingly human (sometimes). Once upon a time (1970/80s) I lived on and off in a mystic land called West Germany. Our postal addresses ended with incantations such as BFPO 40. Around 1985ish my granny send a Christmas card to us. I should note that she was at this time nearly seventy and sadly suffering from Parkinsons. She addressed the card, in rather crabbe…

Bill Bryson claimed to have received a letter addressed to ‘Bill Bryson, Writer, Yorkshire’.

I have some cousins who live in a small town in Australia where the houses have neither names nor numbers. You just address the envelope to ‘, , ’, and it’s the postie’s responsibility to know where everyone lives. (‘Postie’ is the official job title in Australia Post because it’s gender-neutral.)

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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post #13

Email is just like physical mail and thankfully just as endearingly human (sometimes). Once upon a time (1970/80s) I lived on and off in a mystic land called West Germany. Our postal addresses ended with incantations such as BFPO 40. Around 1985ish my granny send a Christmas card to us. I should note that she was at this time nearly seventy and sadly suffering from Parkinsons. She addressed the card, in rather crabbe…

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Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

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post #86
post #13

Email is just like physical mail and thankfully just as endearingly human (sometimes). Once upon a time (1970/80s) I lived on and off in a mystic land called West Germany. Our postal addresses ended with incantations such as BFPO 40. Around 1985ish my granny send a Christmas card to us. I should note that she was at this time nearly seventy and sadly suffering from Parkinsons. She addressed the card, in rather crabbe…

Bill Bryson claimed to have received a letter addressed to ‘Bill Bryson, Writer, Yorkshire’. I have some cousins who live in a small town in Australia where the houses have neither names nor numbers. You just address the envelope to ‘ , , ’, and it’s the postie’s responsibility to know where everyone lives. (‘Postie’ is the official job title in Australia Post because it’s gender-neutral.)

I love these examples because they show that addressing has never really been as formal as we like to pretend

Re: Lies we tell ourselves about email addresses

#90

This all old hat, unfortunately, and also a thing which will be gotten wrong by developers for years to come. Just shouting 'give me a regex for validating email addresses' will make an LLM like ChatGPT happily output bullshit suggesting some overlong regex which is flawed precisely as outlined by the linked article, even though no one is arguing for those long unmaintainable regexes once they've seen the light. Ah w…

This is a nice sibling problem to validation. In both cases, the bug is assuming an email address has a predictable human structure
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