We need cheap tokens from China...
they're not gonna stay cheap, mate. there is a price to pay there, too.
Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?
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#82Other than being very expensive, unprofitable, environmentally destructive, and projected to cause mass unemployment... what's wrong with AI?
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#83The linked Reddit thread is quite hilarious. Earlier this year my company hired a new CEO and his first company address was solely to tell everyone to use AI or they’d lose their job and become unemployable in general. I knew right there and then that he was a moron. There’s something about American companies where the best and brightest rarely show up in senior management. It seems to be populated by some weird clas…
If you genuinely refuse to use AI for any part of your job in 2026 you are the moron.
Of course, you can go too far in the other direction but that's not what your comment is describing.
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#84The linked Reddit thread is quite hilarious. Earlier this year my company hired a new CEO and his first company address was solely to tell everyone to use AI or they’d lose their job and become unemployable in general. I knew right there and then that he was a moron. There’s something about American companies where the best and brightest rarely show up in senior management. It seems to be populated by some weird clas…
If you genuinely refuse to use AI for any part of your job in 2026 you are the moron. Of course, you can go too far in the other direction but that's not what your comment is describing.
Found one of the cult members.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll take the contrary position and say that I think the "tokenmaxxing" we've previously seen was useful (but shouldn't continue indefinitely). My TLDR position is that TokenMaxxing was a way to force discovery of Product Market Fit. The push by companies to incorporate AI into everything is (depending on the company) either hype and cargo-culting or it was an attempt by management to (1) try and discover if/what new…
Usually it’s the seller whose responsibility it is to find PMF, not the buyer.
Most tech companies are buyers of AI, many are also sellers of AI in their own products, and a few are also building it.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't you think that we will eventually get more specialized hardware that will greatly improve efficiency? Running neural networks on GPU:s seem like quite wasteful?
we will, but data centers will compete for that hardware with retail consumers
Such competition will only turn into a moat of the hardware suppliers never manage (or choose) to fully adapt to increased demand?
But then the real moat should be on the hardware side anyway?
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#87With no details, a bird told me of a project which estimated using several millions of tokens per day to automate a team work which got laid off. The operation is now a mess, there is no one willing to be considered liable and since the cheap model they used is about to be retired the company is going to see a 4x increase in price at least. I have the feeling that the age of 'i can't be blamed by AI stuff' will be a…
On the topic of older (Claude) models being better... anyone knows anything close to 3.5 (or 3.6) era Sonnet? It was by far the best LLM I had ever asked my doubts too. It actually explained in a human way, not like some AI I need to re read thrice to understand. (I've used modern Gemini 3.1 pro & claude too. Modern ChatGPT is just as useless, I've never heard a human speak in points. The human brain never encounters…
I'd have to see representative examples but there are thousands of models available, obliterated, remixed, distilled, cloned, compressed, and so many more.
I really liked the way copilot was last year, but I switched to deepseek because I don't trust MS.
Grok cracks me up, but I refuse to give elon more money than I'm already forced to by circumstance outside my control and budget.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that will tank literally all AI companies immediately as, sure, some will pay it, but by far most won't. Anthropic will be gone in 1 day, so will OpenAI.
you allocate tokens from top down - first exclusivity deals - Citadel pays $10 bil to get exclusivity access to GPT-6 for 3 months before anyone else, then you price it $1000/mil, then whatever compute is not used you sell GPT-5.9 at $500/mil...
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the long time this worked oh right: get to know right people, wipe some asses, lick some other, play some golf and be sociopath. But right now it does not cut it anymore. You have to be either smart, skilled or know your business and IT somewhat to now how and to what extent or if at all you can use so called AI in your company. People like you described are out of their league entirely.
I beg to differ. Look at our overlords today. Musk. Zuck. Bezos. All three are buddying up with government officials, all three routinely embarrass themselves when they try to talk shop. Only difference is they're much more socially awkward and less superficially charming than the stereotype would suggest.
I was talking more about middle management. Some smaller CEOs like the parent comment suggested. Those people, as you said, are not our overloads, because they lack intelligence and technical skills.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Usually it’s the seller whose responsibility it is to find PMF, not the buyer.
Most tech companies are buyers of AI, many are also sellers of AI in their own products, and a few are also building it.
Sure. But the ones who are “tokenmaxxing” (I hate that term) are generally maximizing their usage as consumers.
“Try and discover if/what new workflows or tools could use it” is something that’s supposed to be done by the companies selling a product so they can then convince people to buy and use it — not something that the buyers are supposed to do.