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Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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The report on that incident says there was a hardware modification to make this impossible, to be incorporated before Jan 2023. (It also says this happened to Boeing in 2018 and they ignored it, of course)

Wonder why they don't just grab a huge permanent Sharpie and write in huge letters "Do not insert pin here" on one hole and "Insert pin here" on the other hole. I'm actually serious, it seems to me they resist these kind of short-term helpers that would save lots of injuries.

You’re likely a fan of this: https://i.sstatic.net/vaPH0.jpg

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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I bet you would blame the automotive engineers too after reversing your car through the garage door.

You mean like the death of Anton Yelchin, where poor gearshift design made it incredibly easy to confuse whether the car was in gear or in park? Yeah, that is indeed primarily on the engineers.

What kind of person parks on a hill without setting the parking brake?

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Can someone tell me if this is just confirmation bias or is Boeing really going down this hard? I mean management was obviously tanking since the McDonnell Douglas takeover, but did it really take almost 30 years for this to shine through? Or were these things underreported in the last decades?

It's mostly, but not entirely, a combination of biases working in a feedback loop. Because of the 737 MAX crashes, which were legitimately at least partially Boeing's fault, stories about incidents involving Boeing planes are more likely to get covered in the media and become popular on social media, essentially selection bias. Confirmation bias means both the media and readers are more likely to view it the new story as Boeing's fault whether or not that's accurate, and this first impression becomes solidified in peoples' minds, anchoring bias.

This is very important because aircraft accident investigations take time and few aviation incidents generate enough attention that there is much if any follow up once the full cause is known. This first impression is what people remember the next time there is a Boeing story, further strengthening the confirmation bias. It's a self reinforcing feedback loop.

Which is not to say that Boeing doesn't deserve some bad press. The MAX story, the door plug blowout, and some others are legitimate evidence of issues at Boeing. But the bias feedback loop ensures that every Boeing story is treated that way, significantly distorting the reality of the issue.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Same thing happened to British Airways a few years ago on a 787, a misplaced security pin that was inserted in the wrong place during a maintenance operation. There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989 Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

Anyone who has any mechanical inkling would see that the NLG rotates around the massive bushing and putting a pin in there won’t stop anything.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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You mean like the death of Anton Yelchin, where poor gearshift design made it incredibly easy to confuse whether the car was in gear or in park? Yeah, that is indeed primarily on the engineers.

What kind of person parks on a hill without setting the parking brake?

Well, Chekov is not Scotty

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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You mean like the death of Anton Yelchin, where poor gearshift design made it incredibly easy to confuse whether the car was in gear or in park? Yeah, that is indeed primarily on the engineers.

What kind of person parks on a hill without setting the parking brake?

Advice: You really should look up how the engineers designed the gear lever, before voicing more of your ignorant "knowledge".

Edit: Oh you're talking about the parking brake, not the gear lever. Smells of victim-blaming.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Fun fact: Neither of the 737 Max 8 MCAS crashes were determined to be an engineering defect either.

Neither of those were caused by moving both fuel control switches to “off” during takeoff.

The official cause of the Lionair 610 crash was literally "The pilot pushed the nose down for no reason in the middle of the flight"
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