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Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by bflesch »

ghaff wrote: post #70
bflesch wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'd probably use either a semicolon or a period there. But this demonization of a perfectly reasonable English punctuation mark absolutely has to stop.

It's fine to criticize a comment that looks like AI in a thread where someone complains about AI.

The sentence has exactly same meaning if they'd use a single "-" as well. I don't know which browsers have s where double "--" is turned into emdash, but on the systems I'm familiar with one needs to go certain lengths before an emdash appears.

Emdash does not magically appear, and it seems some people love playing with the AI connotation.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by noitpmeder »

tayo42 wrote: post #61
noitpmeder wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, otherwise a significant fraction of the people they reach out to would just skip the head hunter and contact the company directly. Same reason these same head hunters will usually strip any direct-contact details out of your resume before sending on to companies -- they don't want those companies running around them and contacting the candidate directly. IMO, these people are all grifters and uses-car-sal…

That makes no sense becasue contacting the company directly is usually just a communication blackhole

Not if you're a valuable candidate.

An example (I have intimate experience with) is the finance/hft space in NYC -- if you're employed at a competitive player in this space in trading/quant/engineering you will almost certainly be given a phone interview w/o question at every other competitor when you reach out.

If you don't trust the 'contact us' forms on their website it's dead simple to search e.g. LinkedIn to find their own in-house recruiters and reach out directly.

Again, if you're a new grad? Definitely higher chance of your contact going right into the trash. But the target hires are still getting called back within a day.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by tsunamifury »

AI agent sales has been a massive failure. Simple issues like its inability to distinguish a low quality lead from a completely wrong lead aren’t possible yet.

This isn’t agi. Or anything in the way to bring it.

We are in mass delusional state.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by miroljub »

chrismorgan wrote: post #46
andrewzeno wrote: post #24

My email is filled with junk from cybersecurity "experts" telling me that my open source project is "very compromised" and that they will gladly reveal to me what the issue is, if I commit to paying them a bug bounty. I get at least a few every week. I hate them, but I feel like we are well past the point where in any place where there is money to be made, the majority of cold outreach will be from semi-personalized…

Whether it helps or not—the typical contact like this hasn’t been a human for decades now. What I’m seeing these days is materially almost identical to what went out ten years ago. Basic form letter with a cover sentence or paragraph of either no relevance, or a tenuous but normally ill-researched claim at relevance.

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Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by LoganDark »

I accidentally commented in the who is hiring thread rather than who wants to be hired and I immediately got a slew of automated emails (some of which blindly pasted some of my quickly-deleted comment into their greeting) on various time delays. Some multiple times within the month, even though my comment was deleted within about a minute.

This is terrible and needs to stop.

One of them even started blasting their identical message to about 8 different addresses at my mail server (careers@, talent@, jobs@, etc., all of which don't exist and I have never used) with stuff like "Would a 20-minute call next week make sense?". This is such ashamed pre-rejection shit that it betrays a near-zero level of confidence in their own ability. What employer wants someone like that? Employers want someone determined to make a difference, not someone who is groveling to avoid asking too much of you.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by noitpmeder »

satvikpendem wrote: post #71
noitpmeder wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, otherwise a significant fraction of the people they reach out to would just skip the head hunter and contact the company directly. Same reason these same head hunters will usually strip any direct-contact details out of your resume before sending on to companies -- they don't want those companies running around them and contacting the candidate directly. IMO, these people are all grifters and uses-car-sal…

Not exactly. Recruiters often can guarantee an interview with the hiring manager while if you submitted your resume to the company directly, you'll just get lost in the sea of resumes so not much point going around them. I also always give them a PDF resume and I'm pretty sure they don't edit them as sometimes during a video interview the employer pulls up my resume as a screen share to go through it and it's always…

Definitely could be selection bias, but every time I have seen a copy of a resume a head hunter has forwarded a potential employer it has _always_ had the recruiting firm's letterhead plastered above my content, and my email removed.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by bflesch »

maratc wrote: post #72
bflesch wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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They also have no spaces around the em dash. Must be followers of Chicago Manual of Style (and not AP Stylebook.)

Or we follow Occam's razor and accept that a random guy whose comment looks like AI in a tech forum discussing AI is not an advanced scribe following a certain school of writing, but rather some vibe coder who AI-optimizes their comments.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by satvikpendem »

Tade0 wrote: post #64
gedy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should call these folks/companies out by name, they aren't respecting you, your time, or situation.

I don't think they're actual companies. One of the more recent emails I received contains this bit: "If you're already employed, I can also support you in taking on additional contract work. I'll guide you through the entire interview process to help you succeed and get hired. In this partnership, your main role would be attending client meetings, while I handle all development and written communication. We would the…

Those are known scams. They usually reside in sanctioned countries like North Korea (but I've also gotten a lot of Chinese ones), and they make you bear any legal risk if they try to install backdoors in the client codebase. They also run the same scam with wanting your Upwork or similar credentials.

Re: Please don't spam people looking for employment. It's just cruel

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

Tade0 wrote: post #64
gedy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should call these folks/companies out by name, they aren't respecting you, your time, or situation.

I don't think they're actual companies. One of the more recent emails I received contains this bit: "If you're already employed, I can also support you in taking on additional contract work. I'll guide you through the entire interview process to help you succeed and get hired. In this partnership, your main role would be attending client meetings, while I handle all development and written communication. We would the…

Ain’t that one of those North Korea “scam” things where they need an intermediary due to sanctions lol I could be very wrong though
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