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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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post #61

If you deleted all your social media and AI platform accounts today you would wake up tomorrow and be no worse off.

Dont forget what kicked this age verification in first place. Initially they wanted do age verification for porn, and only year later they moved into social media seeing there's wasn't huge pushback.

So even if this change doesn't affect you right now, but it will affect you later then it'll be too late to fight agaisnt.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#82

Growing up I remember all the ads about avoiding narcotics talking about getting hooked on free samples and then going to jail for theft and/or possession. The people behind that propaganda didn't know drugs do cost money, dealers being dorky teens and twenty-somethings who are about as dangerous as a butterfly. But this propaganda also illustrates how some elements aren't very bright. The internet age with free emai…

> getting hooked on free samples It's not a free "sample": drug dealers give their stuff for free at parties where vulnerable young people are in the form of sharing what they are themselves taking. Then they have that teen on the hook for extortion and having them do things or pay "debts". I "gave" you some drugs because you're my friend, but now you have to pay back, you have to do this favor, take this stuff from…

Do you have personal experience with going to high school parties and drug dealers being there trying to get you hooked on drugs? I ask because the scenario you're presenting here sounds like something out of a movie or TV show, and not real life.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And content is increasingly produced for, and by, machines. Human initiative and/or access is increasingly incidental. It's easy to create an alternative. The problem isn't that, it's keeping that alternative clanker-free. (As well as free of all the other enemies / plauges on the useful, generative, Internet.)

> keeping that alternative clanker-free which brings you right back to verification...

Verification tells you that a human being is behind it, not that a human being made it.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#84
post #26

hey claude build me a small social media site i can use with my friends... the beginning of the freedom of every person to become a developer

“Sure just refill your credits for $200 and resubscribe for 1 year.”

Just run it locally. On your laptop that now needs 128GB of memory and costs $4500. Oh and your AI chip is out of date in a year, and can't run the latest shit.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#85

EU law gives every citizen a right to a bank account. I wonder if EU law could give every citizen a right to a google or Apple account, including a forced recovery option if the account is 'deactivated'? If at some point such an account becomes essential to function in society, access to such an account becomes a legal mandate.

People love the EU and its oh-so-lovely legislation to keep them safe/lose privacy.

"EU laws", the EU in general is plainly the excuse that will carry the day - people seem to believe this 'good cop' rendition.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#86
post #5

So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account. - You have to have an account on the posting platform. - You have to get past moderation on the posting platform. That's without age verification.

is remote attestation possible in a web browser already?

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#87
post #21

There isn't much left of the free Internet anyway. Search engines no longer work, all discussion forums are ranked/censored by interest groups, mail delivery is between large entities. Maybe we need an alternative set of root servers for a free Internet.

And content is increasingly produced for, and by, machines. Human initiative and/or access is increasingly incidental. It's easy to create an alternative. The problem isn't that, it's keeping that alternative clanker-free. (As well as free of all the other enemies / plauges on the useful, generative, Internet.)

The trick is to stay small. If your network only has a few millions of people, nobody targets it.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> keeping that alternative clanker-free which brings you right back to verification...

Would be nice to see something referral based. If you don't like X, block them. If X invited Y and Z and their invites behave poorly, you can block the whole tree. Kinda like lobste.rs referrals but for wider internet I guess the correlary would be like how you can block an entire ASN if you find a lot of abuse from it, but at the human-network level.

Just peeping Fediverse for a few years i can only imagine how toxic that would get. It would be a constant ideological war.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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You find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.

The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.

> they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face!

Unauthorized deposits aren't nearly as much of a concern as unauthorized withdrawals, right? I'd imagine that there are far fewer malicious actors that try to deposit money into random bank accounts than there are ones that try to withdraw money from random bank accounts.

> And there’s no option for going in person.

Won't an in-person bank also take pictures of you via security cameras? I don't really understand your objection here, could you elaborate?

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

#90
post #5

So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account. - You have to have an account on the posting platform. - You have to get past moderation on the posting platform. That's without age verification.

And you have to declare your accounts to border police prior to international travel.
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