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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Would love to see many more manufacturers read this as the slight taht it is from Microsoft and to follow Lenovos lead in making windows a paid add-on, going with a big Linux distro as the default.

Maybe instead of hardware they should just stick to the knitting and deal with their quality issues around both the OS and the Office suite right now.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#82
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are not yet capable of generating the level of marketing wankery seen here.

What do you mean, that's pretty much everything LLMs generate "Nothing wasted. Everything intentional." That's the most ChatGPT line ever, where everything has to be a cringy punchline "A machine like this should not sit still. It should be pushed. Taken to the edge. Used to make real what others call impossible." I really hope no human would write something like that

Don't you understand? They fired their marketing copy writers, that's over $550k/year in savings! Imagine how much they can save tomorrow.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#83

IIUC this is using lower bandwidth RAM than macs, and will run windows, with uncertain linux support (it's spotty even on the dedicated linux boxes that this chip is based on). So less of a "rival" and more "metoobutworse"...

Microsoft has always made great hardware, often with partners or acquisitions. If they don't run (traditional) Windows - like the phones - they are really good; if they do run desktop Windows we've gone from useable-but-handicapped to completely unacceptable IMO. They also tend to be side projects within MS; I'd suspect this thing saw the light of day because it was sold as a way to pump more AI at their mostly captive audience.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#84

"Copilot, write me a drivel article which could have been a 3-line press release, but instead use every unnecessary superlative you can conjure. Ignore any possible criticism and pretend this device is the second coming of Computer Christ"

Yeah I feel like I just read an advertisement someone adapted from marketing materials.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #65

For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows. I'm not seeing how this won't be a repeat of the OG ARM Surface, just with a higher spec'd GPU.

It's not a valid comparison. Up until this (theoretical) machine, the playing field wasn't equal. Windows laptops in general couldn't really compare in many aspects with Macs since M1 (outside of gaming), batteries were horrible due to bad efficiency, performance wasn't amazing even with the best SKUs, and the distance between the vendor and Microsoft was always impacting different aspects of the finished product. Ev…

That is a lot of misdirection that doesn’t address the main point of the of OC.

This fancy new device still runs windows. And that is a non starter from many people.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#87

If it's still based on the chip in the DGX Spark, idle power draw remains a problem to be solved. My Spark pulls down 40W when doing nothing under Ubuntu.

It might be more of a Linux problem than a chip problem…

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#89
Does it run Linux well? That's the only reason not to get a MBP.

Personally, I got a HP Zbook G1A, which is HP's take on an MBP based on (x86, but unified memory!) Strix Halo.

Battery life could be better, but pretty happy otherwise. Local LLM perf is great and I get to run an OS that doesn't drive me crazy.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#90

I'm pretty happy to see someone else making a serious play in the ultra-premium notebook market. For way too long Apple has basically only been in competition with the much heavier "desktop replacement"/gaming laptops, or the flimsy/plasticky likes of Dell and LG with questionable trackpads. Real competition in this space could be a great thing for consumers

I’d wait for some actual reviews before celebrating. Because I just doubt this is as good as they are hyping. And it will still run the same windows ad ridden broken OS.

With 128gb memory this thing is going to cost a fortune.

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