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Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

rectang wrote: post #80
abustamam wrote: post #70

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Many restaurants have the audacity to add a 20% (or whatever percentage) "service fee" that isn't considered tip. It even says something like "we use this to pay our staff competitive wages and health insurance." You can't opt out. It's just part of the bill. Then they have the gall to ask for a tip on top of that. I've taken to a) leaving a negative Google or yelp review for such establishments and b) never coming b…

Do you leave a negative review if they add the service charge but don't ask for a tip?

I've never had the pleasure of encountering that situation.

But at what point do we call a spade a spade and say it's just them secretly inflating their prices? "everything is a penny but we charge a 1000000% service charge"

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by osigurdson »

xnorswap wrote: post #24
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #14

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> All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default This is slimy.

It's slimy because your government allows it, this doesn't have to be the case. 1. Lobby your representatives to improve your data protection laws, even if you think it's pointless to do so 2. Stop attacking EU data protection laws, even if they inconvenience you As can be seen from this announcement, data protection laws do make a difference.

What concrete difference is being made here? If a site is hosted in the US but accessible by EU citizens AND using a PostHog US server isn't the data still being used for training?

Legitimate question, I am not trying to prove a point.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by rectang »

abustamam wrote: post #81
rectang wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you leave a negative review if they add the service charge but don't ask for a tip?

I've never had the pleasure of encountering that situation. But at what point do we call a spade a spade and say it's just them secretly inflating their prices? "everything is a penny but we charge a 1000000% service charge"

I used to wait tables once upon a time and it was standard practice to add a fixed service charge for any large party in lieu of a tip. Have you really never encountered that?

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by thecatapps »

It's probably very obvious by now, but there's something to be said about companies with the "SF Quirky" vibes:

- The OS Redesign

- "Sexy Legal Documents"

- Emails with "" as the subject line

- Having a merch shop with action figures of your CEO

It works both ways. When you're looking for adoption and making very pro-user moves, I guess it can be a benefit. However, when you're now looking to grow revenue and making very anti-user moves, it's insult to injury.

I'm the last person to say that tech "shouldn't be fun" or something overly-broad like that, but if your messaging doesn't match the decisions of leadership, you're gonna have a bad time.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

mmh0000 wrote: post #27
rottencupcakes wrote: post #10

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Defaults matter. Opt-in vs opt-out organ donorship has a large impact. Most people on any web app won’t stray from the defaults.

Which we probably need to consider changing now that some truly bizarre and evil shit is being done on donor organs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48212992

Off topic but I'm curious what's evil about that article. Bizarre, sure, but evil? They took a brain (an organ) from a dead person who had previously given consent to use their organs for that purpose.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by Laurel1234 »

vovavili wrote: post #51
brauhaus wrote: post #19

Every day I'm more glad about EU legislation, that's all I have to say for now

...until you learn the rates of economic development between Europe and the US since 2008.

Every last single cent of that "economic development" is in the hands of billionaires, at least people in Europe have rights and their government isn't a couple of monopolies in a trenchcoat.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

freshnode wrote: post #48
mark242 wrote: post #6

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If "we will opt everyone in because otherwise we won't get enough data because we know users won't opt in" is your business model, maybe it's time for a rethink.

It's frustrating as we literally just moved to it. Back to Mixpanel?

I'd recommend at least doing a short spike to see if you can build your own in some way. We did that for the purpose of experimentation and now we've built our own metrics platform that we completely own.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

rectang wrote: post #83
abustamam wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had the pleasure of encountering that situation. But at what point do we call a spade a spade and say it's just them secretly inflating their prices? "everything is a penny but we charge a 1000000% service charge"

I used to wait tables once upon a time and it was standard practice to add a fixed service charge for any large party in lieu of a tip. Have you really never encountered that?

I've encountered large party service charges and that makes sense because it usually requires staff to do stuff they wouldn't normally do for smaller parties.

I'm talking about restaurants that just add service charge to everyone.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by _heimdall »

abustamam wrote: post #71
croes wrote: post #62

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Opt-in by default means it is either mandatory (if you can‘t disable it) or it‘s opt-out (if you can) Opt-In by default is BS to make it sound less invasive

Imagine if they said paying taxes were opt-in by default. No, it's mandatory! Sure you can technically not pay taxes but you won't have a good time.

That is slightly different though. The government says you must pay taxes, mandatory as you said.

PostHog here is saying they will train on your data but opting out is allowed. For the taxes analogy to work, PostHoh would not offer the opt-out option at all and you'd be doing something like hacking their system to filter your data out on their end.

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