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Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by dfxm12 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

"Constitutional" is a matter of opinion. Don't take for granted that opinions can be bought. Don't take for granted that fighting for your rights in court is cheap. In this case, La Liga has more money then you.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by [deleted] »

nubinetwork wrote: post #3

I'll repeat what I said the last time about laliga... > Foot egg is so ingrained into the countrymen that nothing else matters. > There wouldn't be so much of a forced monopoly if more people would stop watching games and stand up to laliga. > Complaining on the internet every time laliga shuts down github etc isn't going to change anything, we can't solve your problems, the change has to come from within. Props to t…

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by dfxm12 »

nubinetwork wrote: post #8
JrProgrammer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Refering to football as foot egg when it’s actually a ball as opposed to the hand egg in the US is weird to me. OT: La Liga shouldn’t have this kind of power and it’s good to see the court take a stance

They call American football handegg, we should be able to do the opposite. :P

Soccer is also known as "divegrass", not footegg...

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by wmf »

ktallett wrote: post #7

Considering web addresses are easily changed, it was a futile suggestion to say block LaLiga streams. Good on Nordvpn. As a football fan, the owners of the leagues have too much power. Like in the UK people have gone to jail for piracy, which should never happen.

If pirates "have to" use Cloudflare then blocking Cloudflare does work.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by shimman »

embedding-shape wrote: post #38
ktallett wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole internet wasn't blocked but a significant percentage was taken down due to the attempt to take down la liga streams. As explained, some banks, some payments systems, and a few other things stopped working due to the governments attempt at blocking streams. The government are clearly trying to exercise control over the people in a way that just doesn't work. It's no surprise though as the government has alwa…

> but a significant percentage Which websites/services that you use was actually hit by this and what ISP are you on though? > I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today.`

Why do you feel it necessary for someone to explicitly prove something that has been reported on for nearly a year?

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by skissane »

nekzn wrote: post #41
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

In Spain we have a domestic abuse law that is unconstitutional (different prison terms for men and women) and it has been there for a very long time. What do you think are your chances of winning this in the constitutional court?

I think the issue is, what does "constitutional" mean?

Does it mean "agrees with what I interpret the constitution to mean" or "agrees with what the constitutional court interprets it to mean"? This law is unconstitutional in the first sense, constitutional in the second.

This is not unique to Spain – the US Supreme Court has a long history of interpreting the US constitution to mean a lot of things which aren't obviously in the original meaning of the text. Its recent conservative turn has seen it overturn some of those precedents, but many of them still stand.

Spain's constitutional court – much like the US Supreme Court – is a politicised body – if one doesn't agree with its jurisprudence, the answer is to vote for parties who will appoint judges with different jurisprudence.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

shimman wrote: post #85
embedding-shape wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but a significant percentage Which websites/services that you use was actually hit by this and what ISP are you on though? > I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today.`

Why do you feel it necessary for someone to explicitly prove something that has been reported on for nearly a year?

Because I should be seeing it myself, locally, but I am not. How come? Why the discrepancy? Am I missing to keep track of some websites, as I'm currently only seeing Docker Hub being down, and the more websites I can add to my complaints, the higher chance they have of working.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by theendisney »

dbbk wrote: post #44
embedding-shape wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today. Keep in mind, when they first started the blocks, a lot more was taken offline than what gets taken down when a match happens today, as they seem to co…

> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? My own company would get taken down.

It seems an interesting argument that more people will watch soccer or races if they cant do other things. They shouldnt enjoy extra benefits.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by j1elo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
dbbk wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? My own company would get taken down.

Maybe don't use Cloudflare in front of your business if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? These blocks been happening for years, if you're still letting you be affected, maybe you want to provide a poor service to your users? Most companies who used to use Cloudflare and actually want to be available to users, moved away a long time ago, it's a lot easier than many think.

That's very shortsighted, this pragmatism might work for a while but when enough companies do the same then some other infra provider would become the new big one, pirate sites would move to it, and La Liga would also block it, bringing everybody to square one.
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