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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by rane »

wolttam wrote: post #58
Scarbutt wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprised Anthropic hasn't done anything to restrict Claude Code from using other providers.

The value of Claude Code the harness isn't that great. There's a lot of other good harnesses out there.

I thought so, and then I tried Opencode and Codex and started to appreciate Claude Code a lot more. They've actually done great work with the small details.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by raincole »

alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

All the major coding agents already support DeepSeek.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by dawnerd »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #55

I just canceled Claude Code and Codex today. RIP. Claude literally refuses to finish tasks in auto mode and just keeps saying, now is a good stopping point, when it's 1% done (and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I tell it). Codex is barely better... May as well pay 1/20th the price for DeepSeek. Claude seems to have something that looks at how long you've been a customer and then just massively degrades quality. Whe…

That was my experience with Claude code too. Someone will come and tell you you're doing it wrong. Hard to do it right when it'll just stop randomly, especially when it ends with something like 'let me know if you want me to continue!'.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by vitorsr »

cold_harbor wrote: post #8

their MLA architecture cuts KV cache by ~5-13x vs standard attention. that's why inference is actually cheaper to run, not just a price war to gain market share.

Yes. The discount was most likely a "post-market trial" of how efficient the caching works for the new generation models.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by raincole »

odie5533 wrote: post #30
margorczynski wrote: post #20

Maybe the Chinese are playing the long game by trying to bankrupt the US competition? Because there's no way this is financially viable.

Inference is cheap. I bet the financials of these Chinese companies are much saner looking than any of the big US AI companies which are bloated by investors.

DeepSeek is very likely selling tokens at a loss. There're many cloud providers that provide you with DeepSeek V4 Pro via API, and those services at least twice as expensive as DeepSeek itself.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

dawnerd wrote: post #83
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #55

I just canceled Claude Code and Codex today. RIP. Claude literally refuses to finish tasks in auto mode and just keeps saying, now is a good stopping point, when it's 1% done (and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I tell it). Codex is barely better... May as well pay 1/20th the price for DeepSeek. Claude seems to have something that looks at how long you've been a customer and then just massively degrades quality. Whe…

That was my experience with Claude code too. Someone will come and tell you you're doing it wrong. Hard to do it right when it'll just stop randomly, especially when it ends with something like 'let me know if you want me to continue!'.

Claude Code has been so unbelievably terrible this entire week that I CANNOT believe it's the same model I was using weeks ago.

I am completely convinced they just screw over their customers after so much usage or so long of a subscription thinking they have them for life.

I have NEVER been so happy to cancel a subscription.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by flexagoon »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #63
ammar_x wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

That's interesting. I thought Claude Code is not as good, therefore people want to use Claude model with other alternatives. This is the other way around. Which begs the question, regardless of the model, which Claude Code alternative is better? (I keep saying "Claude Code alternative" because I don't know the term... LLM CLI?)

AFAIK the two most popular open source harnesses right now are OpenCode and Pi. They take a pretty different approach, OpenCode includes a lot of features while Pi is very minimal by design and focused on extensibility, to the point where many people are just asking Pi to write a plugin for itself whenever they want it to have a new feature. I personally like Pi's philosophy more and I think its developer justified the choices really well in his blog post:

https://mariozechner.at/posts/2025-11-30-pi-coding-agent/#to... (the pi-coding-agent section)

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by KronisLV »

ammar_x wrote: post #27
alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

I'm working on a custom launcher for hooking up Claude Code with various providers (groups env variables in profiles) cause DeepSeek doesn't have vision and sometimes I need browser use with screenshots or Opus reasoning, for other tasks it's fine: https://ccode.kronis.dev/

  # After installed (or when run portably with ./ccode)
  ccode init-config
  ccode edit-config
  
  # Run with default profile
  ccode
  # Run with named profile
  ccode --deepseek
  
  # Set default profile
  ccode set-default-profile deepseek
Also turns out that with a local proxy you can get Remote Control working and see the DeepSeek sessions in the desktop app, screenshots on the page. Other than that, I'm happy that it works pretty well and the discount is enough to make me consider going from Anthropic's Max subscription to Pro and using it only where DeepSeek is insufficient. With that proxy I eventually hope to be able to transparently switch models mid-task, if I need Opus for like 5 turns or something.

Overall though I'm not sure exactly how well Claude Code would stack up against OpenCode, since the latter overall feels a bit less hacky with 3rd party models and is even getting niche but nice features like a locally runnable web version: https://opencode.ai/docs/web/

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by surgical_fire »

odie5533 wrote: post #30
margorczynski wrote: post #20

Maybe the Chinese are playing the long game by trying to bankrupt the US competition? Because there's no way this is financially viable.

Inference is cheap. I bet the financials of these Chinese companies are much saner looking than any of the big US AI companies which are bloated by investors.

I see no evidence anywhere that "inference is cheap". To my knowledge this is a myth being spread to pretend ChatGPT or Claude will one day make any economic sense.

DeepSeek likely operates at a loss. How big the loss is anyone's guess.

Meanwhile I am happy using their model. It is really good, to a point I forget I am not using Codex or Claude.

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