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It is time to build a new internet
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Re: It is time to build a new internet
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
The premise being that the root cause of walled gardens, enshittification, data trading etc. is IP ? Get outa here ...
No that’s the implementation, the premise is that the current internet is not working for us (the people) and we need to move to something that does.
Any thoughts on reticulum? https://reticulum.network/
I've been thinking of building out a network of nodes in Taipei. Chatting with people this weekend at g0v summit about it. There's many reasons in Taiwan we could use an internet that's not the internet. If not today, then tomorrow...
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you limit the tracking? The site always gets the private data, it can't work without it. Sites farm out ads but they could be done by the site with no way to tell difference between an ad and a puppy pic.
> How do you limit the tracking? Seems easy in the way that a lot of things are easy, and this definitely isn't about making everyone and everything untraceable. We don't really need to play ads at 15% extra volume from content. GDPR didn't mean that every website has to do the passive-aggressive "Just following the rules here, click this so I will leave you alone" popup. Facebook could track users and sell ads witho…
> Gas stations and airplanes
Gas stations, not sure, but someone the other day here suggested that airlines would be operating at a loss if they didn't have financializstion gimmicks like that.
Also, this current system selects for profitability. You don't have to financialize everything, but if you don't and your competitor does and therefore has more capital than you, then, eventually your competitor will eat you, either through a buyout, price starving you, or buying more politicians than you and regulating or lawfaring you to death.
This is an absolutely hard rule of capitalism, baked into the very premise of it.
I think we should make it so profit generating algorithms (corporations) can't behave this way - regulation seems a short term solution since capital == power so eventually corporations will just unregulate by buying politicians.
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#84It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews with respect to the writer who has knowledge about protocols and concepts. No TCP/IP means no normal internet routing. → You would need a totally new way for machines to find and send data to each other. Bots are not tied to HTTP/HTML forever, people can write new bots for the new protocol, including by the use of GUI automation (digital or with plotters that…
> It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews
Can you please not do this in comments? It is very demoralizing to post something and be met with this kind of reaction, which will hit the other person 100x harder than I'm sure you intended. You can make your substantive points without that.
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#85Re: It is time to build a new internet
#86Maybe create something decentralized like torrent. Sites will be shared on many locations; popular sites will have many seeds and survive; unpopular one will have few seeds, maybe only 1 by the original creator.
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#87Some form of gatekeeping, or vouching system seems far more practical to implement.
All it takes, though, is for one unscrupulous or lazy individual to join, and then they vouch for a few people they don’t really know, and then you get a bot vouched for, and then a few more, and the first few bots vouch for other bots, and soon they’re all vouching for each other and you’re back to where you started. Basically, it’s a system that works at a scale where individuals can hold one another accountable. B…
Ğ1 (https://duniter.org/) has a strategy that largely solves this. It's a web-of-trust cryptocurrency with some adoption in France that includes a UBI.
To become a full member of the WoT, you need five valid signatures from existing members, and be at a distance of <=5 signature hops away from 80% of the network. Signatures expire, and there's limits on issuing signatures. (There's a few more rules to it)
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#88i will watch tv show again
Middle-out compression was indeed the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline. That, and billionare investor Russ Hanneman standing in front of his orange McLaren waiting for his daughter to be released from the grade school he forgot she no longer attended screaming about his willingness to pay for gay sex.
yeah i like that guy too.. on top of my head is he hire some guys to find a usb drive which contains bitcoin wallet..
Re: It is time to build a new internet
#89> What we basically need is a completely new protocol stack that is not interoperable with TCP/IP. You cannot solve social problems using technical solutions. Someone would simply build a bridge and siphon data out or in. Interoperability is one of those low-hanging fruits that, once solved, ruins its value.
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Re: It is time to build a new internet
#90> What we basically need is a completely new protocol stack that is not interoperable with TCP/IP. You cannot solve social problems using technical solutions. Someone would simply build a bridge and siphon data out or in. Interoperability is one of those low-hanging fruits that, once solved, ruins its value.
precisely. the real problem is capitalism and as long as we live under it there will be financial incentive to exploit any infrastructure we build