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Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by MichaelZuo »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #76
MichaelZuo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pissing off the segment of people most likely to take offense and try to take revenge seems pretty dumb. No wonder they are losing massively to Huawei in several markets. Mobile marketshare is probably an indicator of some kind of their future prospects.

> Mobile marketshare is probably an indicator of some kind of their future prospects. I don't like Google either, but I don't think this is a fair comparison. It's easy for anyone to beat Google in China when the state has decided to block their servers.

They are declining in market share in several countries. Notably multiple ASEAN countries, Russia and Iran (though that is forced), and so on.

Edit: Probably the high end non apple market in nearly all African countries too, but idk if there is reliable data for those.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by riskassessment »

Semaphor wrote: post #80
riskassessment wrote: post #46

I was surprised people were so willing to jump to closed source IDEs just for access to coding agents. The trade-off you pay for tight integration between the IDE and the coding agent is lock-in because the barrier to switching IDEs is nontrivial. Your coding environment stands a lower chance of disruption when you use an open source IDE with a CLI agent. Yes it's slightly annoying to separate the agent from the IDE…

Fwiw, the (mostly) closed source jetbrains IDEs support multiple models with their coding agents, byok, and using different agents like Claude Code via ACP

Fair, the important distinction is agent-agnostic rather than open-source. There are other risks to using a closed source editor but those are mostly orthogonal to this discussion.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

wejick wrote: post #64
ctippett wrote: post #62

I never really used the Antigravity IDE, but had it installed. The update also made me do a double take and wonder what the hell was going on. It seems like Google is hitting the reset button on the product they call "Antigravity", existing users be damned. Fine, if you've never installed or used the previous version before... but for existing users the "bait and switch" is incredibly disorientating. My take is they…

They could just call it anything else and left the existing user alone. I mean they have gemini CLI, which I would say a better product.

> I mean they have gemini CLI

Uhhh, about that :)

Gemini CLI (the open source cli) is being deprecated, and the recommended replacement is Antigravity CLI (which supposedly comes with the new Antigravity, not the IDE). shrug. Surely this will be maintained long term...

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by [deleted] »

ozten wrote: post #37
drdrek wrote: post #3

I'm very surprised, goggle are usually known for their customer focused approach and long standing support of legacy systems!

For me it is their personable account reps and customer service. It’s the human touch we’ve come to associate with the “Don’t be Evil” brand.

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Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by pqs »

Google hasn't handled this well, it is obvious.

But I have to say that I never understood the Antigravity IDE. I much prefer using Gemini CLI in combination with vscode. It works like a charm. Now, I'll do the same with Antigravity CLI and vscode. It works fine.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by photochemsyn »

Anyone ‘fully plugged into the Google ecosystem’ is going to end up being milked by corporate when shareholder pressure for revenue increase goes up. Same with the Apple ecosystem. Of course the language manipulation here is amusing - it’s not an ecosystem, it’s a company town where you have to do transactions in scrip that’s not transferable to another company town. Prison is not exactly the right word, either - you are free to leave, you just have to leave many of your assets behind when you do.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by donbox »

ventana wrote: post #8
drdrek wrote: post #3

I'm very surprised, goggle are usually known for their customer focused approach and long standing support of legacy systems!

I am especially impressed with how they keep supporting Google Reader for all these years despite the declining user base, because they care so much about the existing users.

The internet changed for me the day the Reader died. Actually, in hindsight, for me personally, internet died when the Reader died.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

metalliqaz wrote: post #11
sschueller wrote: post #6

I pay for google "Starter" workspace. Recently I started to get harassed to upgrade. Big button in gmail, large notifications on top of my mail in the mobile app etc. Also two other buttons to get me to turn on AI features I don't need. I already pay a lot, I don't want to pay double just not to be harassed. Having buttons to features that I would have to pay extra for is one thing. But having notifications and large…

The market demands INFINITE GROWTH

…and 0.1% of users click the button that annoys 99% of users, so it‘s a BIG SUCCESS.
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