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560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#81

A lot of this sounds very different than other studies that have said small amounts of exercise have substantial benefits. I was always a little suspicious when they would say that you only need moderate exercise like walking because when you do vigorous exercise your blood vessels expand up to 3x diameter, keeping your arteries supple and elastic. You just don't get that by walking.

And many studies that show more exercise volume at high intensity is associated with higher MACE risk.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#82

9-10 hours seems like a lot. That's very discouraging.

I'm genuinely surprised to read people saying this.

Walking, housework, gardening, etc are all classed as moderate for this purpose, whilst things like running or lifting weights are vigorous and count double.

So we're only talking about a couple of dedicated exercise sessions a week, on top of an hour of non-sedentary activities each a day.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#83
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> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk 30%+ reduction from 10 hours a week of exercise sounds ideal, but 9% isn't nothing.

I’m honestly struggling to figure out how I would fit 2 hours of cardio into my daily routine.

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Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#84
post #54

How wealthy are those who have time to spend 10 hours on exercise?

I mean I get you are trying to imply this is some type of luxury but I've been exercising almost daily my entire life from when I was an unemployed teenager to now at 40yo making a respectable living. It has absolutely nothing to do with wealth. Hell during a rough spot in my life I was homeless for a week and was still working out daily. For me it's literally my anti-depressant.

What it honestly comes down to is people absolutely love to make excuses, simple as.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#85

> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk, the study found. This was consistent across all levels of fitness. > In order to achieve substantial protection, classed as a greater than 30% risk reduction, between 560 and 610 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise a week was needed. So 30 minutes a day is still good, but more is better.…

"exercise doesn't mean planned / scheduled exercise, like going to the gym."

Most of the people I see in the gym are sitting on the benches on their phone 9 minutes out of 10. I'm pretty sure going to the gym is not helping at all...

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#87

> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk, the study found. This was consistent across all levels of fitness. > In order to achieve substantial protection, classed as a greater than 30% risk reduction, between 560 and 610 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise a week was needed. So 30 minutes a day is still good, but more is better.…

"exercise doesn't mean planned / scheduled exercise, like going to the gym." Most of the people I see in the gym are sitting on the benches on their phone 9 minutes out of 10. I'm pretty sure going to the gym is not helping at all...

Calling it 'the gym' sort of conflates its two distinct sections: the one containing cardio equipment, and the other containing strength training/bodybuilding equipment. So-called 'work capacity' aside, there's almost zero overlap between the two sections.

Whether someone's effectively strength training/bodybuilding or not, which is the section I think you refer to—nobody reasonably believes that does anything significant for cardiovascular health, which is the topic being dicussed here.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#88
post #77

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Moderate is not vigorous. They mean being active and walking, etc.

The imprecise language in these studies often means people can interpret them in whatever way they want. This study defines moderate as "brisk" walking, suggesting that it's not just walking. Athletes live in their own bubble where "vigorous" means "maximal".

Right. It is a weakness and makes the meta analyses super important. I can't see all but trained athletes doing even low zone cardio for that much time. But I can see an active person walking, moving around, 12K steps, with a couple hours of genuine workouts / wk hitting that threshold. That matches with how I understand the rest of the studies on this better as well.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's lower than it sounds: this time includes even relatively gentle exercise (a brisk walk) and although it's not explicit here most other uses of similar metrics I've seen generally count hard cardio minutes as 2x, e.g. the NHS guidelines ( https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/physical-activity-guid... ) this references are 150 mins moderate exercise or 75 mins vigorous.

Does lifting weights count as vigorous though? Or strictly cardio? Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

> Does lifting weights count as vigorous though?

In my own experience, no. Strictly cardio. The number of squats you'd have to do to constitue even five minutes of vigorous activity is practicably impossible.

Lifting weights could certainly count/classify as moderate activity though, just without as much 'bang for your buck' as dedicated aerobic exercise.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's lower than it sounds: this time includes even relatively gentle exercise (a brisk walk) and although it's not explicit here most other uses of similar metrics I've seen generally count hard cardio minutes as 2x, e.g. the NHS guidelines ( https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/physical-activity-guid... ) this references are 150 mins moderate exercise or 75 mins vigorous.

Does lifting weights count as vigorous though? Or strictly cardio? Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

It would depend on how high your heart rate goes and stays during lifting weights, because everyone lifts weights differently. I would say that it's not likely based on my own personal experience, and seeing others' time ratios for lifting vs resting.
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