Live data from Hacker News

Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

qwen.ai

81–90 of 317 posts

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#81

The non-hallucination rate in AA-omniscience is SOTA, better than Opus 4.7, Gemini 3.1 Pro and GPT5.5! Congrats to the team

referencing this:

https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience?models...

(had to add it to the chart, wasn't displayed by default. is it the lowest rate in the datasetor no?)

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless US hyperscalers do the same in reverse, I hope the status quo stays as it is. Either people are happy to share, and the sharing should happen both ways, or US hyperscalers can keep isolating themselves as they've done so far.

I do hope The U.S. hyperscalers do the same as well. In an ideal world U.S. residents would use Chinese AI models and Chinese residents would use U.S. AI models. Governments in both countries are collecting data for nefarious reasons. But the Chinese government has far less influence on a U.S. resident and vice versa. We are all better off if our data is collected by a government halfway across the world instead of o…

In an ideal world everybody runs open models on hardware they control.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#84
post #25

As they start to release more proprietary models, I so wish that they partnered with one of the major US hyperscalers to allow using these models through something US-domiciled. Totally understand why it may not be reasonable or in their best interest (and that the US is _absolutely_ not doing the same reflexively). But it would be lovely to be able to try these out on production workloads in earnest.

I'm more interested in hearing specific reasons why one wouldn't use a Chinese company. Unless you're thinking Alibaba is going to ship chat logs to some government ministry that will then dole out proprietary information to new competitors (which doesn't seem logistically feasible), or you run a human rights organization, it feels a bit like FUD.

>Unless you're thinking Alibaba is going to ship chat logs to some government ministry that will then dole out proprietary information to new competitors (which doesn't seem logistically feasible)

That's exactly the fear, and why would it not be logistically feasible? The threat is definitely a bit overhyped, but China has a longstanding track record of aggressive corporate espionage.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but the same goes for the US. Remember Echelon.

It's highly improbable that the US government has a secret team inside Anthropic and OpenAI manipulating their training regimen. For better or worse, these companies are filled with ideologues and something that invasive would trigger an army of whistleblowers (despite legal consequences).

> these companies are filled with ideologues

Are they? They don't behave like it.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#87
post #78

Is this one of those ones where they'll drop the huggingface release a week later? Or do we know for sure that this is staying proprietary?

someone correct if i'm wrong, but I think the max models are usually non-open

The plus and max models have never been open as far as I know.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#88
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m honestly not able to run it What do you mean? This is not self hosted, it's closed source. And any website that targets China or is hosted in China will probably censor Tiananmen Square.

There is no reason why they couldn't license the model to Friendli/Fireworks/etc and have it hosted in the US to alleviate this concern.

I don't know about this model specifically, but other china models did not have the limitation. It was purely on the hosted end, tacked on as a self check while the text was generating. Did that change?

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#89
post #7

Looking forward to more open weight releases from Qwen, especially 122B and 397B.

Ouch. I'm just getting into tinkering with these things - mine is running on a vanilla gaming desktop with a 12gb 3060 and 32gb of ram. Even going above Qwen 9B risks completely locking up the machine.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do hope The U.S. hyperscalers do the same as well. In an ideal world U.S. residents would use Chinese AI models and Chinese residents would use U.S. AI models. Governments in both countries are collecting data for nefarious reasons. But the Chinese government has far less influence on a U.S. resident and vice versa. We are all better off if our data is collected by a government halfway across the world instead of o…

It would have been the world we live in if China wasn't involved in so much corporate espionage. I don't even feel comfortable using their open weight models on anything my employer makes, the only time I use Qwen is for greenfield "how good is this?" type of projects, but otherwise, how do I trust that it wont mysteriously hallucinate phoning home? On the other hand, there's other models where the source is 100% ope…

The US has for decades been engaged in mass dumping of their products to establish monopolies all over the world, and punishing anyone who dares try do anything about it. This isn't better than corporate espionage.
Post reply on HN