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What information is included in the metadata or SynthID? How many bits can be encoded in a SynthID? Can it be used to create something like nutritional labels for synthetic content? 10% synthetic text, 30 synthetic images. Your reality was 15% synthetic today (75% mega corp, 25% open-weight neocloud).
I'm annoyed that Google is keeping it closed-sourced and limited to partners. Is there a negative externality about open-sourcing image watermark technology so anyone can use it and audit the watermarks independently? If not, then I may have a repository for an open-source invisible and tamper-resistant image watermarking approach that's feature complete...
I'm not all that worried about stripping it (I'm sure that's trivial).
The problem that I am worried about is that it can be copied (I'd bet $20 that's trivial, too). People WILL put this on images so that they can be "discredited".
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No, they are very resistant to modification that can be done easily. That being said I doubt it is impossible
Yeah cropping, color shifting, resizing and compression don’t remove it. That said, there’s pretty well known workarounds: https://github.com/wiltodelta/remove-ai-watermarks
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Strictly speaking, DRM = digital rights management, which is related to intellectual property. SynthID would only be DRM if Google/OpenAI were claiming IP rights over their images. I don’t even know if that’s legal though.
What value does "strictly speaking" bring to the discussion? So that you don't have to address any of the issues?
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That's a lot of hyperbole, there's no cause/effect relationship I can think of here that could realistically produce your slippery slope. Google or anyone else could start adding those unique tracking watermarks you're concerned about any time they want, regardless of whether they use this AI detection watermark, that to be clear can not track you in any way.
I'm not going to mince words - what you're saying is dangerous and harmful. > to be clear can not track you in any way All they have to do is encode enough entropy for a database unique identifier. Systems like this have been used to do it for audio: https://github.com/swesterfeld/audiowmark SynthID payloads work the same way, and the paper discusses encoding a "user identifier": https://arxiv.org/html/2510.09263v1#S…
You can go on living your life without it. I believe in you.
This is just performative nonsense. As someone that creates things with tools with different media I would just hard avoid this tool that adds... arbitrary metadata not of my choosing. Should I seriously make a texture for a videogame with this weird DRM glorp in it? How old is photoshop and why is it exempt?
Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it's not useful. I've already seen posts online that were able to be proven as falsified because someone ran the images through Google for SynthID checks. > How old is photoshop and why is it exempt? For one, it's not developed by Google or OpenAI. The barrier to entry to making realistic but deceptive images with Photoshop is far higher than with AI, and there are al…
If this actually works solidly, Google is in deep, deep, deep shit. It would mean that I can put a mark on my non-AI videos and demand that Google not allow upload of my identifiably copyrighted content.
This would completely obliterate YouTube.
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The main difference is we are in the middle of a moral panic and people have lost perspective. Its a tool with different modalties and affordances.
When I saw the article I was initially skeptical. I do look down on OpenAI, Google, and other such companies. But on second thought it is not a bad idea to be able to have a quick tool to identify an image as AI generated. And after reading your reaction to it, I am sure now that the watermark is for the best.
Only criminals and bad actors want private defaults?
The burden of proof is proving there is some harm or problem that needs solving and noone has managed that in this thread or generally.
What happens if you generate an image with only a single pixel color or say two colors?
if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
Always amusing to see AI used against itself.
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Strictly speaking, DRM = digital rights management, which is related to intellectual property. SynthID would only be DRM if Google/OpenAI were claiming IP rights over their images. I don’t even know if that’s legal though.
What value does "strictly speaking" bring to the discussion? So that you don't have to address any of the issues?