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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by antinomicus »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #42
nilkn wrote: post #26

I'm not religious and haven't been since 2008. However, the world today is very different from then. It's fragmented, far more authoritarian, much more dangerous, with "us vs them" mentalities just gaining more and more traction in general in so many countries. There are almost no political leaders left in the world offering a vision that is distinct from mere survival instinct or domination or some mixture of the tw…

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That last bit is false, you are conflating Zionism and Judaism. Plenty of non weird non colonizer non Zionist Jewish folks.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by nnutter »

nvader wrote: post #62

This article needs to be retitled, as it stands it's misleading. Papal Encyclicals[0] are solely authored by the Pope, even if there has been secular scholarship involved in the writing. It is never "presented" by anyone else, and to frame it as presented primarily by Christopher Olah "alongside" the pope is to betray an ignorance of what's officially going on. Not sure how we arrived at the present title, "Anthropic…

On top of that, submissions are not supposed to modify titles. Original is "Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25".

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by throwaway27448 »

andai wrote: post #79
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

Unfortunately some approximation of a human emulation (a slice of it) comes out of emulating Common Crawl. They do have neurons for emotions because those are necessary to predict next token. Whether that implies anything about subjective experience... I think that question is unknowable by definition. Either substrate matters (in which case things have to be made of carbon for some reason?), or it doesn't (in which…

Emotions exist outside of immediate reaction. This is necessary for stuff like motivation.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

grebc wrote: post #33
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

When it’s necessary for the pope to tell the orange one to calm down about wiping out a civilisation, you know things are bad.

This would be more of an indictment if we were closer to the 19th century rather than 5 popes deep into public denouncements of American militarism.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by cucho »

nvader wrote: post #62

This article needs to be retitled, as it stands it's misleading. Papal Encyclicals[0] are solely authored by the Pope, even if there has been secular scholarship involved in the writing. It is never "presented" by anyone else, and to frame it as presented primarily by Christopher Olah "alongside" the pope is to betray an ignorance of what's officially going on. Not sure how we arrived at the present title, "Anthropic…

> Not sure how we arrived at the present title

It was me. Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that Chris Olah co-authored the encyclical with the Pope. I just found it noteworthy that there was someone from the “industry” at the encyclical presentation on May 25, which I think is a first. Usually, they are all clergy or academics.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

jdkoeck wrote: post #56
ilaksh wrote: post #18

I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

A cursory look at the fall of extreme poverty across the world, over the last few decades, is enough to refute the idea that the world is largely based on exploitation.

"UM ACTUALLY THOSE SWEATSHOP WORKERS ARE LUCKY TO BE WORKING FOR PENNIES AN HOUR TO MAKE MY OVERPRICED CONSUMER ELECTRONICS AND THESE FLY-ASS Js"

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by shannifin »

Abh1Works wrote: post #82

Can someone explain to me what encyclical is, and what is it significance in the history of the Catholic Church?

Just a letter from the pope, often about how Catholic teaching relates or applies to some modern issue. They present nothing new in terms of Catholic teaching itself, but, through the pope's authority, serve as important guidance for the faithful.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by lanyard-textile »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #24
torben-friis wrote: post #9

For anyone concerned about the growing power of giant corporations, the fact that they're doing joint statements with religious leaders is...wow. Regardless of content, it seems an extra step in solidifying where power lies.

I don't know enough to disagree with this specifically, but reductionism and generalizing is its own problem. A PR stunt is far cry from a power grab. Reductionism favors addressing large trends, and large boogeymen, classes, groups, etc.. instead of doing the diligent work of finding root causes, nuanced as they might be, and addressing those. If what you say is right, I would challenge that by still insisting the c…

Thoughtful and well written.

I tend to agree -- Even if I'm not sure what that quite looks like, and even if I'm not sure if that's better than what we already have.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by jdkoeck »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #87
jdkoeck wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A cursory look at the fall of extreme poverty across the world, over the last few decades, is enough to refute the idea that the world is largely based on exploitation.

"UM ACTUALLY THOSE SWEATSHOP WORKERS ARE LUCKY TO BE WORKING FOR PENNIES AN HOUR TO MAKE MY OVERPRICED CONSUMER ELECTRONICS AND THESE FLY-ASS Js"

I suggest a look at the recent economic development of Bangladesh, if you want something less abstract to illustrate the point that the reduction in poverty is very noticeable.

You would think that a great reduction in extreme poverty would give people pause, but it is almost always barely acknowledged. The strange conclusion is that people who tell you they care the most about poverty do not actually care about it in the slightest. It is just a vehicle for their resentment.

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