I used to be proud to say I worked in tech. Now I look around me and I'm surrounded by scam artists and grifters. Where did it all go wrong?
It's been on the downhill for a while even before the AI wasn't it?
An AI Hate Wave Is Here
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#82I don't really see the problem here. We're all getting laid off because AI I superior to us. I can now do the job of a product owner or even exceed it by simply prompting with some nuance, magic spells and bit of salt and pepper. But down the road the AI bros promise us that this will reduce inequality and make human society better, somehow. I really need to understand this shit and if anyone can weigh in on it I'd b…
> AI bros promise us that this will reduce inequality and make human society better, somehow
It is going to make human society better. And it already is doing it.
The problem is neither you nor me are a part of the society. The AI bros are.
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#83Everytime I see something like this I wonder how much of a repeat it is of when the first steam powered monstrosity started to gain some public traction, or electricity, or...
Hate it or love it, something's inevitably coming. Literally no way to stop it when it's ultimately China vs US, which wasn't even a concern during previous technological revolutions.
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#84AI is capital incarnate. People can finally put a name on an unease that's been growing inside them for a while now.
We see these subhuman billionaire ghouls invited on TV daily to fearmonger about AI finally replacing all labourers and freeing the Epstein class from relying on these pesky workers. We see them making millions in fake money with each announcements, while the rest of us have nothing to show for it. We see slop everywhere, permeating every facets of our lives, in the name of never-ending cost reductions.
It really doesn't matter what AI can or cannot do, what it even is. It is capital incarnate. The promise that labor was finally vanquished and the bourgeoisie is free from its shackles, at last. It is certainly sold as such, and people notice, even if unconsciously.
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#85Anti-AI propaganda is false-flag. AI is going to happen. The only question is whether it will benefit everyone or just the rich. Best way for the rich to ensure they own it is to convince the poors that AI is a monster, so they don’t demand it for themselves, and instead fight pointless battles they are guaranteed to lose. Folks need to wake up and start talking about a post-scarcity world where machines do all the w…
> The only question is whether it will benefit everyone or just the rich
Are you seriously mulling that as a question?
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#86Honestly, my opinion, our lives were fundamentally better before some tech came along - touchscren phones & “social” networks being the main two. We still haven’t caught up with the carnage this has caused. Kids social media bans are only now becoming a thing in some countries and we’re left with a deep sense of unease it’s really not to protect the kids at all. It’s lead to plenty of good as well, a luddite I am not…
> a luddite I am not
I have to bring this up every time someone brings up luddites. I'm a Luddite.
The Luddite movement was not "people scared of new technology". That's propaganda that's stuck around for far too long. Luddites were skilled craftspeople that saw businesses gleefully eliminating their jobs without any sort of plan or thought for what it'd do to their lives. They were weavers seeing industrial looms doing the job of 1000 weavers being managed by one child with 2 fewer fingers.
It's pretty directly analogous to AI. We see all the major property owners licking their lips at the notion that they can simply fire a huge portion of the workforce with no thought of "what will these people do now"? Most of them are happy for us to just go away and work for uber/doordash.
If AI reaches it's promises, we do not have the infrastructure to handle an economy where only a few wealthy owners rake in everything and the rest fight for pennies (which are sapped away from the current rent seeking economy).
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are your tokens earning dollars and do they translate into a sustainable form of income? Honest question. I know people who have been laid off and their answer seems to be "use AI make stuff and go forward for the win". All the while actually paying these AI companies to train on their thoughts or slop or whatever it should be called now. I think there is some mass confusion happening right now (psychosis even) and t…
You bring up a point that I have been wrestling with in my mind. > "use AI make stuff and go forward for the win". If anyone with AI access can do this, then what real value can one produce? For example, if one makes a nice little FizzBuzz widget, then why pay for their widget when I can just make my own? Sure, there is a cost to buy/time to recreate analysis to be had, but it's easier to recreate software now more t…
Exactly. Now not only does fizzbuzz exist, but there are at least 10k variants of it with all the colours and flavours you can imagine. I honestly don't know what to make of this. We can literally ask a machine monkey to make something millions of times. Does the human touch now come from the approval process? Where is the humanity? Gosh I wish it were 2015 or before, again. Thanks Attention Is All You Need, you really helped.
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#88It's not AI. Like the layoffs AI is a convenient scapegoat for the economy creaking to a halt, real world income across most sectors won't buy a house in the state where the job is. It's hate, but it's only "against AI" because AI is being trotted out why people can't get their first home until they are 50 if they are lucky..
I remember reading about superstitious behavior in pigeons.
You feed pigeons randomly, and if they happened to be standing on one foot when they got fed, they will associate that behavior with what happened. So they will stand on one foot while feeding.
In the same way, they economy goes bad, they might blame what they read about the government, or AI, or standing on one foot.
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#89It's not AI. Like the layoffs AI is a convenient scapegoat for the economy creaking to a halt, real world income across most sectors won't buy a house in the state where the job is. It's hate, but it's only "against AI" because AI is being trotted out why people can't get their first home until they are 50 if they are lucky..
As I understand it, the last sentence stems from the fact that too large of a share of the total wealth is in the hands of those that don't benefit from more homes. AI is what's prioritised by them and what will lead to even smaller flow from the efficient wealth aggregators to those needing homes, once most of the simpler office work becomes obsolete, because, let's be real, average person's reasoning, work-pay effi…
> AI also makes it easier to prevent a change in status quo
This seems like the polar opposite of what the "AI safety" people are worried about and it seems unlikely that they could both be true at once.
> As I understand it, the last sentence stems from the fact that too large of a share of the total wealth is in the hands of those that don't benefit from more homes. AI is what's prioritised by them and what will lead to even smaller flow from the efficient wealth aggregators to those needing homes
These are both two independent things and two independent sets of people.
The main group of people opposing housing construction is landlords and existing homeowners. The ones doing AI have almost no overlap with that. Moreover, "you get paid less" and "housing costs more due to artificial scarcity" are only tied together in the sense that money going to landlords and banks isn't going to workers, which again isn't the AI thing.
Or to put it a different way, you could mitigate a lot of the "AI problems" by building more housing and the AI people would be pretty fine with that.
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#90Everytime I see something like this I wonder how much of a repeat it is of when the first steam powered monstrosity started to gain some public traction, or electricity, or... Hate it or love it, something's inevitably coming. Literally no way to stop it when it's ultimately China vs US, which wasn't even a concern during previous technological revolutions.
The question is how to handle it and what do we do with society.
Right now, seems like we are heading directly towards "hoover towns" [1]. The US government has abandoned any notion of protecting or providing for the citizenry.
We got out of hooverville last time through massive government investment into the general public. A "new deal" where the government provided good paying jobs to the unemployed for the public good. Yet, slowly ever since the enactment of those protections, we've been seeing a slow whittling away of the notion of the government protecting the people. Instead, we've become a government that only protects profits.