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Accelerando (2005)

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Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by nozzlegear »

collingreen wrote: post #68
embedding-shape wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Corporations are almost entirely run by AI agents, when they sue each other they use AI lawyers and verdicts are delivered by AI courts, all within milliseconds so they're basically constantly suing each other many times a second in an attempt to overwhelm each other's compute resources. -> this looks on track to happen Woah, sounds dystopian, what gives you the impression that this is on track to happen, is there…

A few current situations that are leaning this way in theme: - ai facial recognition used by police, detaining innocent people with no recourse or consequences - ai military decisions made without human in the loop. Double points for the decisions being to kill someone. Anthropic insisting a human should be in the loop for killing decisions is what caused Trump to declare them a supply chain risk. - ai denial of insu…

> It will be very hard (and only get harder) for humans to fight through the deluge of slop, especially if the slop is weaponized as a kind of DoS like in the book. I don't expect laws are strong enough to hold this back but I don't know any other tool in our collective toolboxes.

We don't need to fret about finding a technical solution to slop in the real world. Courts have a mechanism to fight this kind of thing (overwhelming the court/defendant) already: vexatious/frivolous litigant designations, sanctions, and anti-SLAPP-esque statutes.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by btreecat »

sohex wrote: post #37

Accelerando and The Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi (and that series as a whole) are the best examples of how weird the future is going to get I’ve read. Other series like The Culture are amazing too, but the aforementioned feel possible in a way that others don’t. For me, I can see the causal chains leading from here to there vividly in a way that you don’t get with a lot of other sci-fi. That combination of plausi…

Appreciate the recommendation for the quantum thief. I really enjoyed accelerando which was a recommendation from a friend so I look forward to checking this one out. If it's good I'll share it with the same friend who taught me about accelerando.

Not the first time I've come across great recommendations in the comments of HN!

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by msh »

jahala wrote: post #30

I absolutely LOVE Accelerando. I've recommended it to everyone I meet for years. If you're looking for other great sci-fi reads: John Ringo - Live free or die John Varley - Titan (-> Wizard / Demon) Charles Stross - Singularity Sky Vernor Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep / A Deepness in the Sky Robert Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land Dan Simmons - Hyperion Alastair Reynolds - Revelation Space / The Prefect Orson Sco…

I think of the books by Charles Stross halting state and rule 34 are both better books and give a better 15 minutes into the future feeling.

Halting state might be a bit dated but rule 34 absolutely holds up.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by aeve890 »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #14

Anyone have recommendations on books that can rival the first part of Accelerando in number of prescient ideas about how the near future, pre singularity might look? My own list is: Starmaker by Olaf Stapledon Counting Heads by David Marusek Nexus by Ramez Naam Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge But I'm always on the look out for more! The more predictive the better!

StarMaker is awesome but really exhausting to read.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

btreecat wrote: post #79
tintor wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ verdicts are delivered by AI courts, all within milliseconds” In which way is this on-track to happen?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/anthropic-expands-c... FTA >WASHINGTON, May 12 (Reuters) - Artificial intelligence company Anthropic on Tuesday released an expanded suite of features for lawyers using its Claude AI assistant, including tools for specialized legal topics and access within Claude to other legal research and AI products.

Lawyers run the US, I don’t think anything that reduces the country’s dependence on them has any chance of widespread adoption.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by mullingitover »

btreecat wrote: post #79
tintor wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ verdicts are delivered by AI courts, all within milliseconds” In which way is this on-track to happen?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/anthropic-expands-c... FTA >WASHINGTON, May 12 (Reuters) - Artificial intelligence company Anthropic on Tuesday released an expanded suite of features for lawyers using its Claude AI assistant, including tools for specialized legal topics and access within Claude to other legal research and AI products.

I stand by my prediction that when AI comes for the lawyers' jobs, that's when suddenly we'll have the Butlerian Jihad.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by derektank »

veidr wrote: post #33
yomismoaqui wrote: post #21

Sorry to hijack the topic (slightly), but after reading all books from The Culture by Iain M. Banks I'm looking for similar Sci-fi. Any recommendations?

Vernor Vinge has some hits and some misses, but A Deepness in the Sky (best to just take the plunge and read it without googling — it's good either way, but better if you don't even read the back of the paperback). Then, a bit further afield but for me , at least, exercised what I liked in The Culture series, even though stylistically different: Spin by Robert Charles Wilson.

I think A Fire Upon the Deep would be a more enjoyable starting place for someone that likes the Culture series, even though A Deepness in the Sky is generally considered the better novel.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by floren »

warumdarum wrote: post #77

not an easy to read book. recommend singularity sky by the same author which is way catchier vibrant and not "enriched" with "modern" chatarcters by some sociology student editor who never grasped what scifi was all about.

What makes them "modern"?

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by TFNA »

lbrito wrote: post #42

Tried it because of Goodreads recommendations, couldn't get past the first 30 pages or so. First book ever I rage quitted. The main character is so unlikeable and the weird sex stuff was too repulsive.

Isn’t the weird sex stuff just another example of how prescient the novel was? Within just a few years after its publication we got Tumblr.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

mullingitover wrote: post #86
btreecat wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/anthropic-expands-c... FTA >WASHINGTON, May 12 (Reuters) - Artificial intelligence company Anthropic on Tuesday released an expanded suite of features for lawyers using its Claude AI assistant, including tools for specialized legal topics and access within Claude to other legal research and AI products.

I stand by my prediction that when AI comes for the lawyers' jobs, that's when suddenly we'll have the Butlerian Jihad.

If there were a particular subset of people that were the absolute least likely to ever revolt against anything it could be no one other than the lawyers. They've trained their entire careers to play by rules so esoteric that people like us need to hire them just to interact with those rules safely.
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