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Re: The Zulip Foundation

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Post by ok_dad »

nolok wrote: post #72
tabbott wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As we do our best to explain in the post: The Zulip project is very much not being annihilated. There are 220 people from all over the world who have contributed 20 or more commits to Zulip, and thousands more who've contributed code, volunteer translations, ideas, thoughtful questions, and in so many other ways. Personally, I find remarks like this to be extremely disrespectful to all of those wonderful people and t…

I don't disagree with you in general terms, but what % of total commits or code change came from you and the three others leaving? A long lived long tail is great, but it still often dies out when you cut the head

If you’re not that familiar with the project then what’s it to you?

Personally, I think this is great and I’m going to send this to my boss who might have to make a similar decision someday. It seems to me like they could have just sold the product to them but went to lengths to keep it independent; that’s the type of thing we should encourage.

No offense intended but sometimes this type of comment sounds like the other side of the AI psychosis coin, like an anti AI psychosis.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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Post by cindyllm »

ok_dad wrote: post #81
nolok wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you in general terms, but what % of total commits or code change came from you and the three others leaving? A long lived long tail is great, but it still often dies out when you cut the head

If you’re not that familiar with the project then what’s it to you? Personally, I think this is great and I’m going to send this to my boss who might have to make a similar decision someday. It seems to me like they could have just sold the product to them but went to lengths to keep it independent; that’s the type of thing we should encourage. No offense intended but sometimes this type of comment sounds like the ot…

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Re: The Zulip Foundation

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Post by jeltz »

tabbott wrote: post #34
nightski wrote: post #15

Gotta love the frontier labs annihilating open source projects left and right either by acquiring them directly or stealing the teams.

As we do our best to explain in the post: The Zulip project is very much not being annihilated. There are 220 people from all over the world who have contributed 20 or more commits to Zulip, and thousands more who've contributed code, volunteer translations, ideas, thoughtful questions, and in so many other ways. Personally, I find remarks like this to be extremely disrespectful to all of those wonderful people and t…

Poaching four full time core developers is bound to hurt any open source project, even ones much larger than Zulip.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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Post by jeltz »

stavros wrote: post #7
shimman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are doing work, they're advocating for what they believe in. Consumers of FOSS deserve to have a voice too.

It's easy to advocate for what you believe in by posting comments on HN. It's harder to advocate for what you believe in by taking a low-paying job in a FOSS company, which they presumably didn't do.

I have a low paying job at a FOSS company. Does this mean I am allowed to cast the first stone?

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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Post by yencabulator »

tabbott wrote: post #78
dijit wrote: post #38

Long-time Zulip advocate; I've (successfully) pushed for it at two organisations, so genuinely, thanks for building something worth that effort. One thing I'd like to understand better: how does the Foundation intend to keep its mandate narrow? The Mozilla comparison in the post is one I find cuts both ways... technically excellent product, foundation that drifted considerably from "make the browser good." The adviso…

Mozilla has had the unusual situation of having an enormous revenue stream from Google. It is reasonable in that situation to build some adjacent things that support the mission. MDN is amazing, for example! Rust was too! I do feel Mozilla has lost its way, and I think it would be crazy to spend resources available to the Zulip Foundation on projects that don't directly advance Zulip or its community. I think the que…

> Mozilla has had the unusual situation of having an enormous revenue stream from Google. It is reasonable in that situation to build some adjacent things that support the mission.

Ah yes, this is why they fired the Servo team.

Mozilla has the unusual situation of having been fully taken over by a management layer that doesn't give a shit about the thing that caused that pile of money to flow their way. And the ongoing flow might even depend on Firefox remaining just underfunded enough to never compete against Chrome for real.

Nevermind the fact that Mozilla is sitting on a $1B fund that would be enough to do miracles in the browser space.

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