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Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by pycassa »

parliament32 wrote: post #69
pycassa wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I subscribe again? do I expect to have the previous data or it will start afresh? I want to know if I should subscribe again to get this data or shouldn't bother. You can talk about all these rules, but that was my data, when I was subscribed to their product, I'm not asking for access to generate more, just my past sessions.

Well, in an ideal scenario, you would have exported anything you wanted to keep, and you'd import it if you subscribe again. How long would you expect them to keep your data for? Do you really expect them to pay storage costs for your data indefinitely just because you paid them $20 once upon a time? And on the inverse side, would you really want your data to be compromised when they inevitably get breached just beca…

but i still have my account with them. i havent deleted it. and was able to access chat sessions in the actual claude app. and obciously my own claude code sessions.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by wiseowise »

willsmith72 wrote: post #6
wiseowise wrote: post #3

And AI hypers suggest to build your whole career/identity on this shit. Already foresee "skill issue", "well you should've x, y, z, obviously", etc.

People often build their career skills on proprietary tech. Photoshop, Figma, Java, AWS architects

I can still function if any of those are down or gone, unlike LLM addicts.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by embedding-shape »

stingraycharles wrote: post #79
embedding-shape wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they do "see" but more like "see an explanation of the image", not "see" as in experience visually. They're really bad at details and perfection when it comes to images, and doesn't understand things like visual hierarchy, affordances and other fundamental design concepts. Most of them are able to describe those things with letters, but doesn't seem to actually fundamentally grasp it when asking it to do UIs…

> I guess they do "see" but more like "see an explanation of the image", not "see" as in experience visually. Images are tokenized and fed to the exact same model, they can “visually inspect” images, eg “find the 2 differences between two images” and “where’s Waldo”-style things. So your mental model that they see descriptions is inaccurate.

> Images are tokenized

Exactly, here is where the fidelity of an image is being lost, they don't "see" visually, they get a representation of the image via tokens, that's why I said they don't see but basically "see an explanation of the image". I don't mean like a caption, but in the end, they act and work with tokens, not pixels or actual images, internally.

Example from Grok and Claude, with a very simple test case. I made a white image with 7 dots, ask Claude and Grok to count the red dots. The filename is "8-red-dots.png" but actually only has 7 dots.

Because they don't actually receive the image itself, they receive "tokenized images" as you say, they don't seem to actually be able to see the number of red dots. ChatGPT correctly identified that there are only 7 dots, but only because it ended up using Python to actually count the pixels it seems.

Original image + what the various LLMs responded: https://imgur.com/a/vh1tU6Y

Again, very simple (and dumb test), I won't claim this is science, but once you start trying to use these vision models for precise and exact UI and UX work, you'll notice over and over how bad fidelity and spatial awareness they actually have when it comes to images.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by embedding-shape »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #74
embedding-shape wrote: post #59

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When I'm using agents for programming, I can have a AGENTS.md outlining exactly what requirements, guidelines and constraints all the code need to follow, and the agent (codex in my case) will pretty much nail that. I've tried doing the same for design work, just really outlining exactly how the UI and UX needs to look and work, but for some reason it struggles a whole bunch with it, regardless of how clear I am. May…

I once worked at a startup where the CEO was originally a designer. He once spent two days huddled with the main designer for the product, trying to pick exactly the right font for the product. I have no idea how you'd have that kind of discussion with an LLM. But then, I would not spend more than five minutes on this decision, so I'm probably the wrong audience for this ;)

Used to work in a designer-heavy company doing frontend work, one of the founders could spot by naked eye if you got the alignment of something wrong by 2-3 pixels during the reviews.

The UI and UX of the product was amazing, and took some time to get used to actually delivering pixel-perfect designs across three different browsers, but fun times regardless :) Probably takes a certain individual to enjoy that sort of experience though.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by embedding-shape »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #68
embedding-shape wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they do "see" but more like "see an explanation of the image", not "see" as in experience visually. They're really bad at details and perfection when it comes to images, and doesn't understand things like visual hierarchy, affordances and other fundamental design concepts. Most of them are able to describe those things with letters, but doesn't seem to actually fundamentally grasp it when asking it to do UIs…

the models can accept images directly as tokens. not a description of an image, the actual image itself. yes, the visual intelligence is limited, but they do actually have vision capabilities.

Yes, I agree, we're saying the same thing, I'm just trying to highlight that the "visual intelligence" really isn't up to par for anything stringent when it comes to UI and UX. Explained further here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48133641

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by embedding-shape »

semiquaver wrote: post #13
jjcm wrote: post #8

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on. To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across…

What do you mean LLMs are blind? All frontier models are multimodal, which means they literally consume images as tokens. They can “see” exactly as well as they can “read”. Also, GPT-Image-2 is not a diffusion model, it is based on Transformers, like other LLMs are.

> Also, GPT-Image-2 is not a diffusion model, it is based on Transformers, like other LLMs are.

Where are you getting this from btw? AFAIK, OpenAI hasn't openly talked about what exactly is powering the Images 2.0 stuff, unless I missed something? I think they've said it's not a diffusion model, but I'm not sure they've said what they're doing instead, have they?

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by robeym »

I was in the same boat, moving my max subscription to Codex instead of Claude, with a Claude Design project going. I was under the impression that Design was pro plans only, so I downloaded basically everything before cancelling.

It could be worth a quick $20 subscription just to grab your stuff, then cancelling. Trying to get support from either Claude or OpenAI seems pretty hopeless. Hopefully this post will get them to see you

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