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“I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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> I see a lot of media hype Right, a guy keeping endless stacks of paper with his ChatGPT-produced novelty "scientific" theories and wanting to "apply for pope" - definitely some "media hype" there.

People suffering from mental health issues were doing exactly that kind of things long before LLMs. Delusions of grandeur are nothing new.

Who said they were new? But the ability to induce them ON SCALE is what is new, brmought to you by the LLM Slop companies.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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It isn't entirely independent tho. This person who did some research into it says: "The strongest predictors for who this happens to appear to be: Psychedelics and heavy weed usage Mental illness, neurodivergence or Traumatic Brain Injury Interest in mysticism/pseudoscience/spirituality/"woo"/etc..." https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6ZnznCaTcbGYsCmqu/the-rise-o... It fits in this case as well (background of PTSD

Their primary information source was a random sampling of Reddit posts which they admit were "coauthored with the AI (who clearly wrote the vast majority of it)." These were on long-dormant Reddit accounts that suddenly reactivated. Classic. I don't believe any of it. I would bet that, with some exceptions, these are bots talking to bots about bots. The "person" who wrote this might be a bot. It's extremely delusiona…

> To return the gesture of good will, I have started archiving ...

Oh that part does seem wacko. There's no "good will" to be returned, and no overall strategy as such. I didn't catch that when I read it. I don't have much of an issue with them calling it a "parasitic relationship" because it sounds similar, though it's more accidental rather than evolved toward that purpose like actual parasites.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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This is something new. Delusions were around before, certainly, but LLM offers a round the clock potential for psychological conditioning, which would not normally be possible without sustained attention by a group of people.

I don't know, internet already made it easy for delusional people to find each other (and trolls). Look into the gangstalking/targeted individual communities, you can even frequently find these people on HN. Flat earthers and sovereign citizens are two other famous examples. People also seem to regularly move between these groups, the specific delusional belief probably isn't the point.

I had an encounter with someone who thought he was being gangstalked (by me and others). He made rude and threatening comments to me and others. He accused me of being a double on one occasion and a police man on another. When I complained about what he said, he asked me why I was being defensive. However, I would argue that he suffered from a pre-existing psychological condition probably accelerated by being homeless and being badly treated in the past. It became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As for Flat Earth theory, it has been heavily promoted by mainstream media in the last decade or two after years of obscurity. It is a useful strawman for the ruling class to associate dissent with. Along with the tinfoil hat meme (I have never met anyone who wears one. It's just another image of the extreme to promote group conformity.)

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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It’s a generic error screen from a framework yes. But the cause of the error is a poor implementation from the developer. I can write code that errors out in does that mean it’s bad?

Read the context first. Initially, we had HTML + JS pages where one function can have one error, and the page keeps on working, because the error didn't block the entire screen. Now we have some popular framework/library that instead seems to surface these errors that aren't sitting in the top-level scope of the JS application, yet the errors ends up blocking the entire application. That means it's bad, yes. And it's…

Modern JS frameworks can absolutely catch and isolate errors. In those cases you’d only see the error in the specific component that had the error. Or if they’re a good dev you as a user won’t even know! You’ll see fallback content.

An error blocking the full screen is a failure on the developer not the tools.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Read the context first. Initially, we had HTML + JS pages where one function can have one error, and the page keeps on working, because the error didn't block the entire screen. Now we have some popular framework/library that instead seems to surface these errors that aren't sitting in the top-level scope of the JS application, yet the errors ends up blocking the entire application. That means it's bad, yes. And it's…

Modern JS frameworks can absolutely catch and isolate errors. In those cases you’d only see the error in the specific component that had the error. Or if they’re a good dev you as a user won’t even know! You’ll see fallback content. An error blocking the full screen is a failure on the developer not the tools.

> An error blocking the full screen is a failure on the developer not the tools.

I don't see how this is possible, given that the default experience with HTML and JavaScript isn't "Tear down the entire page to display an error", but something that's seemingly becoming more and more common to actually come across. Guess I need to chase down what library/framework this is coming from, since seemingly I'm not able to describe the issue properly.

You don't need the "modern JS framerwork" to "catch and isolate errors" because that's a feature JavaScript comes with by default in browsers! You literally have to add code to make it worse, which seems to be happening in some framework/library.

If you're manually adding logic for doing "error in component doesn't break entire application" then you're already working against what the environment gives you by default for free.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Using uncertainty to punish your perceived enemies is called "injustice".

No, figuring out harms is called "thinking before acting", and unless you want laws and regulations written in blood (something I personally want to avoid), you need to think before acting. Figuring out what harms something in wide use has, is a good thing, and doesn't mean "ban it today", it means "lets figure it out".

Language this vague has a name: it's called "bullshit".

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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No, figuring out harms is called "thinking before acting", and unless you want laws and regulations written in blood (something I personally want to avoid), you need to think before acting. Figuring out what harms something in wide use has, is a good thing, and doesn't mean "ban it today", it means "lets figure it out".

Language this vague has a name: it's called "bullshit".

Reminds me of another slang, probably applicable to this entire discussion: "pointless"

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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People suffering from mental health issues were doing exactly that kind of things long before LLMs. Delusions of grandeur are nothing new.

Who said they were new? But the ability to induce them ON SCALE is what is new, brmought to you by the LLM Slop companies.

We don't yet know if LLM chatbots are actually inducing them, or just offering a convenient outlet. Both options are perfectly feasible, although it seems unsurprising that people suffering from such delusions would seek out validation wherever they may find it.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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"you don't even need to try to look at any correlation or causation to arrive at this" You actually very much do. If there is no causation, then it is not "their impact". Otherwise, you're just advocating for rope-makers to be punished for wrong-use of their product. Which is, of course, foolish.

Ok, put another way, do you think we clearly know exactly the pros and cons for individuals to use AI chatbots for mental health treatment? If you don't clearly know exactly those things, wanting anything else than "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots" as a first step would be utterly foolish and de-humanizing.

> "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots"

Sure, but people on HN have a weird idea of what "held responsible" means. Often it seems to mean "harshly punished", as opposed to making the injured parties whole.

This probably reflects a split between US culture and the rest of the Western world.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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post #79

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People suffering from mental health issues were doing exactly that kind of things long before LLMs. Delusions of grandeur are nothing new.

Who said they were new? But the ability to induce them ON SCALE is what is new, brmought to you by the LLM Slop companies.

Yeah, it's the "ON SCALE" claim I object to. I want evidence first; I'm not willing to accept the loss of freedoms that blindly accepting this premise would require.
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