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A HN post with negative points – how?

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#81

Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always revealed after an hour or two.

According to tomhow, there isn't and there isn't going to be one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942

Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the interesting part here is that it is a submission with negative karma, not a comment. there is no downvote button on submissions, so it doesnt make sense for it to get negative karma.

I always assumed there WAS downvoting for a submission once you hit a certain threshold of user karma. Like flagging and other community moderating functions.

83,000 karma and no downvote button on submissions for me.

I think that a submission might get negative votes for being flagged, though, so if 11 people hit the "flag" button that might take it to -10.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#83

Original poster of the thread here. Doesn't appear to be negative anymore, but here is what it looked like: https://vale.rocks/micros/20260512-0652 Screenshot was taken at 06:50 UTC.

Not at all related, but I love your work! Your photographs betray a subtle, curious, particular, and respectful eye. Keep shooting!

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Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to tomhow, there isn't and there isn't going to be one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942

Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.

Do you realize that tomhow is an admin on this site?

Anyway, it doesn't have to be bots... maybe some 3rd-party client app is implementing the downvoting of submissions via (unofficial) API calls.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.

Do you realize that tomhow is an admin on this site? Anyway, it doesn't have to be bots... maybe some 3rd-party client app is implementing the downvoting of submissions via (unofficial) API calls.

None of that changes the root cause. Bots are downvoting.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#86

Take this post for instance, the link to the upvote is https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48106316&how=up&auth=26... If you change `how=up` to `how=down` it downvotes the post. I tried it once, didn't change the vote count, but I issued the inverse operation with `how=un` and the vote count went up, so I'm guessing someone upvoted at the same time I downvoted. That or it doesn't really work like it says it does, bu…

I tried this and had no change with either down or the subsequent un, using my own upvote link's token.

Perhaps someone coincidentally upvoted the post at the same time you attempted to undown the submission, rather than upvoting when you attemped to downvote it.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#87
post #86

Take this post for instance, the link to the upvote is https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=48106316&how=up&auth=26... If you change `how=up` to `how=down` it downvotes the post. I tried it once, didn't change the vote count, but I issued the inverse operation with `how=un` and the vote count went up, so I'm guessing someone upvoted at the same time I downvoted. That or it doesn't really work like it says it does, bu…

I tried this and had no change with either down or the subsequent un, using my own upvote link's token. Perhaps someone coincidentally upvoted the post at the same time you attempted to undown the submission, rather than upvoting when you attemped to downvote it.

Good to know! So the hypothesis is false.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#88

As I understand it, -4 is the lowest you can get (basically everyone hates your point of view), so you may have found a bug but more likely found 5 or so people who don’t like you quicker than expected! I have seen (my) posts bounce up and down so there I suspect there is a lot of Voting going on compare to actual movement. But in the end HN is biased for positivity (as you cannot go lower than -4) But someone with s…

> But in the end HN is biased for positivity

Ha ha ha.

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always assumed there WAS downvoting for a submission once you hit a certain threshold of user karma. Like flagging and other community moderating functions.

83,000 karma and no downvote button on submissions for me. I think that a submission might get negative votes for being flagged, though, so if 11 people hit the "flag" button that might take it to -10.

A bit offtopic but seeing your karma, I remembered that sometime ago I had made a website which finds how many words a person has written on hackernews and leaderboard stats around it.

I got curious so I checked it with your account and you are globally #23 in that you have written most words and you have written 1,822,427 words which is like 6+ games of thrones (if one GOT has around 300k words)

I also just saw that you have been on hackernews since feb 2007

Your hackernews account is older than me as I was born in 2008 ;)

I am curious how did you find hackernews and what you made stick to the platform for so long and are you perhaps some user number x of hackernews itself like say user number 230 of hackernews, I would be curious to find this data if you might know.

I do wonder if there are any tips in general life that you have for a person like me and I would love to hear your answers!

Thanks for reading and have a nice day :-D

https://serjaimelannister.github.io/hn-words/

Re: A HN post with negative points – how?

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to tomhow, there isn't and there isn't going to be one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942

Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.

How this submission got negative votes is the oddity that people are trying to figure out. Regular users can't downvote, and I don't see a reason why it'd be a moderator action for this post, so I'd assume some bug/edge-case in vote handling.

No other /newest submissions (current or that I've previously seen) have negative score. I checked a bunch of your submissions (using https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663) and none appear to have ever been negative.

It's possible that this issue was happened to be caused by a bot, but what you're describing as a regular occurrence ("Down always comes first") is probably a misrecollection about comment downvotes rather than submission downvotes - or about reddit which does have submission downvotes.

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