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I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by dualvariable »

randycupertino wrote: post #55
delichon wrote: post #37

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> claiming they were broke and talking about about their $150 house cleaner I once spent an hour listening to a drunk woman telling me how broke she was. The gist was that she wanted to build a 50 horse stable but could only afford one big enough for a dozen horses. She owned about half of Anaheim. She told this to me as she sat across my desk at her condo, which was my post as a near minimum wage security guard. My…

Horse expenses are bonkers. I wish all my enemies get into horse stuff as a hobby. I used to work for a boss who made $5 million a year and he would get into SCREAMING fights with his wife in the office over the phone about how they couldn't afford to fly the horses to Europe for her to compete in horse dressage competitions. I'd be working away three doors down and in the hallway he'd be hollering from his office, "…

You don't really need to be ferrying quarter million dollar horses to Europe to enjoy having horses. If you're not in an HCOL area, and not doing anything remotely fancy, you should be able to keep a horse for around $1k/month if you have a few grand buffer for vet emergencies, and you're not buying a lot of tack, equipment or supplies. You need to be into horses for their personalities, though, and willing to take on older/rescue cases, and not have fantasies of Olympic competition.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by insane_dreamer »

If you worked hard to get a degree from a prestigious college, and worked hard to get to the place where your skills were valued and used to generate value (script-writing in this case), and suddenly AI is taking lots of jobs so you're doing AI-review gig work, you'd be angry too.

It's the equivalent of losing your job and having to run DoorDash to pay the bills.

All the while you're being lied to with promises that this will somehow set you free to "work on your own terms".

That's fine if you are gainfully employed and want to earn some extra cash, but not if that's all you have.

This is just the next step in the gig economy, which strips away rights and security from employees and hands profits to employers.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by mmooss »

Aurornis wrote: post #78
mmooss wrote: post #74

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The OP also said they had $14 in their bank account. This whole thing seems like a not uncommon pattern in our society: shaming poor people for not living acetic lives, as if they should suffer to qualify as the 'good' kind of poor.

> shaming poor people for not living acetic lives, as if they should suffer to qualify as the 'good' kind of poor. You're missing the point that if she wasn't spending $600/month on house cleaning, she wouldn't have only $14 left in her bank account. Going without a house cleaner is not an ascetic lifestyle. This is getting silly.

> $600/month

The article doesn't say it's weekly. Some people I know with housecleaners are do it monthly.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by gwbas1c »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #67
gwbas1c wrote: post #47

> You can find my shows on Paramount and Hulu and the BBC. I would suggest you don’t. I see two problems here: 1: The streaming platforms are filling themselves with slop shows. Maybe not "AI slop," but slop in general. When I browse, I keep seeing lots of shows that I have no desire to watch, and wonder who actually watches them. Every time I open a streaming platform, they keep wanting me to watch a new series that…

I agree with you (mostly), but I suggest you should spend an hour a week watching something new - do it while folding laundry or working out. Something you might never have chosen. There are gems out there waiting for discovery. Now onto my response: TV has always been this way, the only difference is there aren't time slots now, so they can develop a bunch of crap shows (that used to just get left for dead after pil…

> I suggest you should spend an hour a week watching something new

On average I do that, although I generally don't like to start a "series" unless I know there's a good chance I'll finish it.

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Post by simplemindedbot »

rsynnott wrote: post #63
rsynnott wrote: post #51

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Well, presumably you didn't have a debilitating horse addiction.

(It is fascinating to me, though, how these "I'm broke due to [completely bonkers lifestyle expense]" things span almost all income levels. From "decent salary but has four cars for no obviously explicable reason" to crippling horse addictions, for some people there just seems to be no income level at which they will not screw up their finances.)

“Crippling horse addiction” has so many meanings even in context. From heroin to animal cruelty to gambling to horse dancing. Wonderful phrase, I tip my hat to you.

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Post by mantas »

darkwater wrote: post #52
voidpointer wrote: post #11

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Isn't the scenario you are describing the ultimate collapse of art and culture as we know it? If everyone sits at home and creates the content that they want, what do we talk about? How do we engage in shared culture if there is nothing to experience together?

Well, that was a recent invention anyway - at least in Europe where I live. TVs did not really reach most of the households until late '70s and the shared pop culture based on movies (mostly from US), cartoons (mix from Japan and US), advertisements (usually national) was created quite fast. It's not an immutable fact of the human society.

On top of that, I wonder if it wouldn't be for the better. 100 years ago many regions had distinct cultures. 200 years ago pretty much each village had a wee different culture. With slightly different fairy tales or songs and so on. Nowadays the culture gets standardised at a massive pace. If generative AI could put a stop on it... That'd definitely be an improvement.

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Post by pickleglitch »

mmooss wrote: post #83
Aurornis wrote: post #78

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> shaming poor people for not living acetic lives, as if they should suffer to qualify as the 'good' kind of poor. You're missing the point that if she wasn't spending $600/month on house cleaning, she wouldn't have only $14 left in her bank account. Going without a house cleaner is not an ascetic lifestyle. This is getting silly.

> $600/month The article doesn't say it's weekly. Some people I know with housecleaners are do it monthly.

Look, I've been broke. I've been "figure out how to make a rotisserie chicken feed us for a week" broke. I've been "counting literal pennies to figure out which groceries you can buy" broke. This isn't shaming someone for spending money on candy or soda, or even a cell phone or a flat screen TV.

I even agree that $150 a month is not exactly extravagance, but unless you are disabled, hiring a housekeeper is a major luxury. It's a recurring cost, be it $150/week or $150/month, that can easily be eliminated, and anyone who has been poor would not think twice about eliminating it when things get tight.

And the point isn't that this person is or isn't the "right" kind of poor. It's that they come off as someone cosplaying poverty, and it undermines the premise of the whole article.

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Post by mmooss »

pickleglitch wrote: post #87
mmooss wrote: post #83

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> $600/month The article doesn't say it's weekly. Some people I know with housecleaners are do it monthly.

Look, I've been broke. I've been "figure out how to make a rotisserie chicken feed us for a week" broke. I've been "counting literal pennies to figure out which groceries you can buy" broke. This isn't shaming someone for spending money on candy or soda, or even a cell phone or a flat screen TV. I even agree that $150 a month is not exactly extravagance, but unless you are disabled, hiring a housekeeper is a major lu…

> cosplaying poverty

Again, they have $14 in their bank account.

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Post by mmooss »

Aurornis wrote: post #76
mmooss wrote: post #66

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> $150 house cleaner To clarify, in the OP that's $150 flat rate per cleaning, not per hour. If you've tried to hire a housecleaner recently, that seems a bit below average (depending on the apartment). It's not an extravagance - you'd have to spend more time doing it yourself, which takes you away from buidling up your paying work and future. Prices are going up everywhere, and the contemporary business theory is to…

> It's not an extravagance - you'd have to spend more time doing it yourself, which takes you away from buidling up your paying work and future. In the context of someone complaining about their $14 bank account balance and their job paying $32 per hour that isn't giving them enough work, spending $600 per month on a housecleaner is an extravagance.

> $600 per month

The article doesn't say it's weekly. Some people I know with housecleaners are do it monthly.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by jfengel »

avidruntime wrote: post #77
Aurornis wrote: post #27

I read the article. It was about 1 person trying to do AI training data set annotation and review gigs. The only supporting evidence for the title’s claim about “everyone” is that they found the gig work from a comment on a Facebook group for writers who were looking for side gigs. Other than that, this is entirely 1 person’s experience. I also started to lose sympathy for the writer when they bounced between claimin…

I work in the television industry, so does my spouse. We both have gotten offers by recruiters from services like this. While this author's experience is hard to relate to in many ways, their description of the economic situation is not far off. There is enormous pain right now in the television industry, particularly for the below the line workers. This stems from a myriad of factors in confluence. A very incomplete…

The TV industry has always been a beast to work in. Is it worse now? Or just a different kind of bad?
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