The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
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Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#82spam/phishing/malicious calls do not come from individuals. How about they start with preventing caller ID spoofing/requiring proper caller ID? the spam calls come from call farms that rotate numbers. they should be required to present a unified and verifiable caller ID Phone systems can put whatever they want in caller ID, there should be verifiable reverse lookup to a valid registered number along with fines for vi…
Business PBX folks really like being able to forward calls off to a cell phone while preserving the original caller's caller ID. And making that work requires allowing arbitrary spoofing. There is some work being done to append the stir/shaken signature from the original caller in a different sip header so the call can still be traced, but ultimately caller id is just too limited of a data framework to relay all the…
If they are calling via a business caller ID then what's the problem - just treat the associated business as responsible.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#83This is the way it works in Australia. I wasn't a huge fan of having to prove who I am and have my identity related to be able to txt and make phone calls or use mobile internet when I moved here.
In theory, it's also how it works in the US, but most store clerks don't pay attention to the regulations and let customers buy pre-paid SIMs with cash. There really isn't any punishment for it, which may explain the rule change.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#84spam/phishing/malicious calls do not come from individuals. How about they start with preventing caller ID spoofing/requiring proper caller ID? the spam calls come from call farms that rotate numbers. they should be required to present a unified and verifiable caller ID Phone systems can put whatever they want in caller ID, there should be verifiable reverse lookup to a valid registered number along with fines for vi…
> there should be verifiable reverse lookup to a valid registered number
This has existed for a very, very long time; its just a business feature you have to pay a lot of extra money for and that is generally unavailable to consumers.
Business customers get access to DNIS and ANI.
DNIS is the number that was dialed to reach the business. It is used for call routing and marketing analytics.
ANI is the phone number from which the call was made. It’s used again for call routing and analytics, but also billing. It’s how they knew where to send the bill back in the days of 1-900 numbers. Because real money is involved, it’s a pretty good bet it’s usually tied to the real entity.
You, as a mere consumer, are left with caller id, which no business user cares about.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#85You know the FCC is going to do this and still be completely unable to stop spam calls. You're going to get all of the drawbacks and none of the benefits.
> You're going to get all of the drawbacks and none of the benefits.
In my 50 years of living this has always been the rule, not the exception whenever politics and technology collide.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#86This will do absolutely nothing to stop robocalls, spam calls, and phishing calls. This is entirely about tying a specific phone number to a specific government IDed individual.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I strongly suspect this will allow them to use it in court considerably more frequently. But still, I know they know who I am. Anyone with a cell phone in their pocket has no privacy. It’s the best tracking device ever. Anyone who thinks anything at all can make that problem worse simply doesn’t understand that they have none. I’d rather have zero privacy and zero spam calls than zero privacy and lots of spam ca…
We have a constitutional amendment–the 4th amendment. They ignore it. You can have privacy on a phone using GrapheneOS.
To some extent; if they were motivated they could still correlate things and figure out exactly who you are and your movement history, etc
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's all nice but it's also the defacto option for non technical people who need state actor resistant security and if they can just be subpoenaed to get the verified ID of the account holder that defeats the entire use case
Signal is not an anonymity tool–it is a privacy tool. It is not anonymous in any way. If you need anonymity you should use SimpleX over Tor.
Simplex is run by borderline grifters and Tor isn't a messenger.
I don't understand why this is so controversial. If you follow the news on the slightest the game right now is feds raiding journalists, taking their devices and then trying to unmask their sources. It doesn't matter what XYZ is "for", when the stakes are this high we need to be protecting people full stop.
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#89I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.
"phone number?"
"i dont have a phone"
"emergency contact?"
"911, no one else is better suited to respond to an emergency?"
Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or mayb…
How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.
> You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either.
And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure.
> How did you rent an apartment without ID?
I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago.
> ...you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.
I'm pretty sure that all I've ever been asked for is name and SSN. Again, maybe this stuff is new as of the past ten, twenty years. Strong, strong anti-immigrant sentiment has a way of gripping people's hearts and making them do stupid shit.