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AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by drysine »

kubb wrote: post #68
drysine wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advanced Machine Intelligence (AMI), a new Paris-based startup cofounded by Meta’s former chief AI scientist Yann LeCun, announced Monday it has raised more than $1 billion to develop AI world models. LeCun argues that most human reasoning is grounded in the physical world, not language, and that AI world models are necessary to develop true human-level intelligence. “The idea that you’re going to extend the capabili…

Now check how much OpenAI got in their last funding round, and you have your answer.

1B is what Microsoft invested in Open AI in 2019[0]. That was enough to get the ball rolling.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI#Creation_of_for-profit_...

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by poisonfountain »

wuschel wrote: post #75
poisonfountain wrote: post #34

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>I think the rest of us should rest easy knowing that LLM's can't (and maybe were never meant to) tackle the tacit-knowledge-filled, human-system-centric, ambiguously-defined-problem-space jobs most mortals work I don't believe that anymore, to be honest. Models are starting to get good at ambiguity. Claude Code now asks me when something is ambiguous. Soon, all meetings will be recorded, transcribed and stored in a…

Unfortunately you can't record meetings in many jurisdictions, including court sessions. Hence we have to rely - for worse, or perhaps even for better - on human driven note taking.

You're downplaying the AI lobby here. They're eating down copyright laws, something that seemed impossible just a couple of years ago. Screwing privacy laws is just the next step.

Also, we are seeing a cultural shift around that as well. Now people bring "AI notetakers" to Zoom calls without even asking for your permission. People are already acting like privacy laws don't exist anymore, it's going to be even easier for the AI lobby to take it down now. Just like piracy normalized copyright infringement, opening the path to the current rulings around "fair training".

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by cyanydeez »

dakolli wrote: post #37
cyanydeez wrote: post #35

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I'd say it's a malefactor of: 1. Amazing, you just tweaked 1% efficiency 2. You idiot, you just spent an hour trying to trouble shoot a hallucinated api. On average, it's really hard to tell which ones going to win here.

Its not hard to tell at all, just look at how much it costs to run a 10T param model (especially with parallelized agents). Those costs are not worth the occasional slot machine-eque jackpot you get. For an entity like Google it might be worth it, but that's it. They definitely aren't going to let us use these things for cost they are now for much longer. Imagine going back to 2020 and tell people in 6 years going to…

oh, sorry, I'm not running a 10T param. Just local models for me. kk thx.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by cyanydeez »

ogogmad wrote: post #65
dakolli wrote: post #37

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Its not hard to tell at all, just look at how much it costs to run a 10T param model (especially with parallelized agents). Those costs are not worth the occasional slot machine-eque jackpot you get. For an entity like Google it might be worth it, but that's it. They definitely aren't going to let us use these things for cost they are now for much longer. Imagine going back to 2020 and tell people in 6 years going to…

Whenever you solve any hard problem, you start off by finding a complicated solution, which you then scale down to a simpler solution. LLMs are a "complicated solution" in the sense that they're expensive. Once you know what they're capable of, you can scale them down to something less expensive. There's usually a way. Also, an important advantage of LLMs over other approaches is that it's easy to improve them by fin…

they're not _compplicated_, their complex. And solution implies they're not hallucinating the goat and how to fix it.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by dinfinity »

DennisP wrote: post #77
kubb wrote: post #68

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Now check how much OpenAI got in their last funding round, and you have your answer.

I don't think it's valid to draw broad conclusions from the funding of a new company vs. an industry leader. If AMI builds something that looks impressive considering the funding they got, then they'll get plenty more in the next round.

He must be trolling.

AI is hands down the most researched topic in CS departments. Of the 10 largest companies (by market cap), only 3 aren't balls-deep in AI R&D. The fastest growing (private or public) companies by revenue are also almost all companies focused primarily on AI (Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, Scale AI, Nvidia).

And the money isn't even the most important part. It's all about mindshare and collective research time. The architectural concepts can be researched and developed on top of open models, so even individual relatively poor researchers unaffiliated to anything can make breakthroughs.

Even the computing required for the legendary "Attention is all you need" paper could probably be recreated on con-/prosumer hardware in a month's time.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by artninja1988 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #55

From the comments it seems that this community (mostly career software people) is starting to move into a new phase of grief about the median software engineer losing their hoped for permanent place in society. -2021-2024 was Denial -2024-2025 was Anger and Bargaining -2026 seems to be some combo of anger, bargaining and acceptance depending mostly on your class/age

I think we are still in the denial phase.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by Yokohiii »

DennisP wrote: post #76
Yokohiii wrote: post #63

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So self chosen total surveillance and transparency so your fav LLM can be better?

Could always use a local LLM for stuff like that. One of my relatives works for one of the big audit firms and that's what they do.

Sure. Still from what he said, your company wants every communication from you stored somewhere, ready for analysis. I don't think an unfiltered data acquisition is good, my interpretation and decision making is also part of my work. Also meetings may share some personal details that I would never tell on the record.

Full transparency has a cost, and we cannot afford it.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Post by holoduke »

drysine wrote: post #60
kubb wrote: post #41

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Not in the next decade. Won't get funded.

Advanced Machine Intelligence (AMI), a new Paris-based startup cofounded by Meta’s former chief AI scientist Yann LeCun, announced Monday it has raised more than $1 billion to develop AI world models. LeCun argues that most human reasoning is grounded in the physical world, not language, and that AI world models are necessary to develop true human-level intelligence. “The idea that you’re going to extend the capabili…

Why on earth would you start your ai startup in Paris? Of all places in western Europe it's one of the hardest to find, attract and keep talented people. The wages are super low, housing is high and language is an issue.
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