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Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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Cyrillic has been used as a political weapon under the Soviet Union. For example, in soviet Moldova it was mandatory to learn to read and write cyrillic at schools. They effectively wanted to eradicate the local language and culture in favor of russian.

No, you're wishfully thinking. What made people absorb the Soviet version of history and politics, was school curriculum, and central TV, and teaching Russian to keep them in orbit. Cyrillic alone won't allow this.

It was one of multiple tools that were used to reinforce each other. The alphabet, of all things, obviously plays a huge role in cultural indoctrination and assimilation. You're being strangely defensive about this.

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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Cyrillic letters can be used to spice up English. Imagine having just one letter for "ch", "sh" and "th"! "She relaxed in the chair under a tree's shade" "Шe relaxed in фe чair under a tree's шade"

But ф is absolutely not the sound that "th" makes. In fact, in Russian, at least, we don't have a "th" sound. But this is better than using Д in place of "A".

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Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

#83
post #75

Cyrillic letters can be used to spice up English. Imagine having just one letter for "ch", "sh" and "th"! "She relaxed in the chair under a tree's shade" "Шe relaxed in фe чair under a tree's шade"

But ф is absolutely not the sound that "th" makes. In fact, in Russian, at least, we don't have a "th" sound. But this is better than using Д in place of "A".

Actually, for most of its existence, Cyrillic has had a θ (theta) like in Greek, used only in loanwords and pronounced either as ф (f) or т (t) because the th sound is not part of Slavic phonetics. θ was dropped fairly recently - in the 20th century.

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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"Slav" deriving from the Slavic term for "word" is something of a false etymology that was invented in the 19th century. It is implausible on philological grounds: you'd expect a different vowel in this word if this were the case, and the suffix *-ninъ is only otherwise used in terms derived from place names. It is more likely[0] that the term derives from some toponym. This is in line with how tribal names tend to w…

Dunno. A nice parallel fact is that the word for "Germans" in at least a few Slavic languages literally means "mutes" - the ones who don't speak. So you'd have the Slavs - the people of word - and the Germans - the mutes.

Exactly. In Polish "Niemcy" (Germans) comes straight from the mutes due to language barrier.

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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post #75

Cyrillic letters can be used to spice up English. Imagine having just one letter for "ch", "sh" and "th"! "She relaxed in the chair under a tree's shade" "Шe relaxed in фe чair under a tree's шade"

But ф is absolutely not the sound that "th" makes. In fact, in Russian, at least, we don't have a "th" sound. But this is better than using Д in place of "A".

It absolutely doesn't as pronounced now, yet Thomas is Фома, Theodor is Феодор, etc. Just like Hertz is Герц, even through Г and H are as far from each other as one can get.

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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This author is suggesting that Cyrillic is a sort of tool or weapon in the arms of the authority, and is imposed upon the people for purely political reasons. This is just false projection of modern politics onto old times. It's shameless propaganda. In reality, at the time, it was the Eastern Christian church that was more liberal than Rome. Rome insisted every local church make services in Latin, and didn't transla…

Cyrillic has been used as a political weapon under the Soviet Union. For example, in soviet Moldova it was mandatory to learn to read and write cyrillic at schools. They effectively wanted to eradicate the local language and culture in favor of russian.

Didn't Romania use Cyrillic at a point in time?

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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post #75

Cyrillic letters can be used to spice up English. Imagine having just one letter for "ch", "sh" and "th"! "She relaxed in the chair under a tree's shade" "Шe relaxed in фe чair under a tree's шade"

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Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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post #81

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No, you're wishfully thinking. What made people absorb the Soviet version of history and politics, was school curriculum, and central TV, and teaching Russian to keep them in orbit. Cyrillic alone won't allow this.

It was one of multiple tools that were used to reinforce each other. The alphabet, of all things, obviously plays a huge role in cultural indoctrination and assimilation. You're being strangely defensive about this.

Oh, yes, the alphabet is used to write texts to convey evil empires' messages! Why am I so strangely defensive, really? Well, it's the most ridiculous argument people use here. Somebody is conquered, governed -- you may say colonized, -- there's army and police, but you all are pointing at the alphabet.

Like, if you're on the USA/Israeli side in the current conflict, well, maybe quit using Arabic numerals, switch to Roman?

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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Since we're talking about Serbian below, here are some characters from Cyrillic Serbian Alphabet: Ђ/ђ Ћ/ћ Љ/љ Њ/њ Џ/џ Ј/ј Various diacritical marks, digraph, a jod... What makes this Cyrillic more unambiguous than the Latin equivalents?

None of those are digraphs or have diacritics, each is a single letter/character Compare with: Š/S (Š = S + diacritic) Nj (this "letter" is made up of two other letters)

> None of those are digraphs or have diacritics, each is a single letter/character

Okay, you got me, these don't have diacritics, but other Slavic languages do. Unicode committee decided that some of these are separate letters (Ѓ, Й, Ё etc.) and some are not (Ў), but still doesn't make these "trivially provable to suit Slavic languages better".

> Nj (this "letter" is made up of two other letters)

Indeed it is. Invented in 1818. E.g. Russian uses two "нь" for the same thing.

My point is, even if I may confuse my linguistic terminology from time to time, is... How does all this make Cyrillic "trivially provable" to be better suited for Slavic languages than Latin script? It's all the same: invent new letters or new letter combinations, or slap a few diacritics on top. And when that is not enough, borrow from Latin. E.g., j in Serbian, ї in Ukrainian and й in Russian for the same sound.

Re: Inventing Cyrillic (2024)

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The article feels like AI hallucinated slop. Just a quick scroll through the page: * Sviatoslav was not a local ruler - he ruled Kievan Rus' 1500km north-east and he remained a pagan until his death, even if his mother had converted to Christianity. * Sviatoslav was born nearly 60 years after both Cyril and Methodius had died. * In 890 Boris was no longer in power but his firs son, who coincidentally tried to reverse…

The author had an agenda to push, and they generated a load of slop to support it. Obviously, the usage of Latin alphabet today is also a political tool to support the Roman Empire. Carthago Delenda Est!
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