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Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Supercritical CO2 extraction is pretty innocuous. Just buy good decaf from a place that doesn’t bathe their beans in toxic waste.

Good to know. Any recommendations where to find this?

Many coffee distribution sites (like drink trade dot com) tell you the process. I’m a fan of the Swiss water method.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Nice, maybe it balances out nicotine. People who don't pair caffeine with nicotine simply have no clue what they are missing ;)

> People who don't pair caffeine with nicotine simply have no clue what they are missing ;) We do, and that's called cancer;)

It's the endothelial dysfunction, oxidative stress, increased arterial stiffness, and accelerated atherosclerosis that turn me off.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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I was never a coffee drinker, but I became interested because what was said in Arnold Schwarzenegger‘s newsletter. ( There is a ton of medical research covered in there. ) I didn’t dig in too deeply, but started drinking a morning cup of sugar free double mocha cappuccino, to help my workouts. If I’m fooling myself, don’t tell me. I like the cappuccino.

Episode #103, @FoundMyFitness on Spotify podcasts. All about coffee’s benefits, including for exercise.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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"While caffeine is the major individual component of coffee, the study suggests that it may not be the primary driver of these health effects." All you haters that give me grief for drinking my daily cup of decaf can shut up now.

Hey, man, drink what you want. It doesn't change my life in any way, shape, or form. But I have to ask, have you seen the image describing where decaf coffee comes from?

https://i.imgur.com/aDt06Lg.png

I do find it amusing. But drink your decaf, brother, do what works for you.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Here are more fascinating facts about caffeine and cancer. Caffeine affects the immune system via at least two opposing mechanisms. Mechanism 1: A2A receptor antagonism (immunostimulatory) Tumors and damaged tissues release adenosine, which engages the A2A receptor on immune cells and signals them to stand down. Caffeine antagonizes (i.e., blocks) this receptor. Mechanism 2: Raising intracellular cAMP (immunosuppress…

If we wanted to know chatgpt's opinion we'd ask it directly

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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There is nothing objectively wrong with drinking something you like the taste of, however, when it is coffee specifically, I believe, the utility of it is the caffeine it contains; that, and the culture around coffee-drinking makes me feel the way I described. Notice the "in my humble opinion" at the end of my message.

> that, and the culture around coffee-drinking makes me feel the way I described. Then why identify with it at all? You would be happier taking caffiene pills or drinking an Arnold Palmer, it sounds like.

Exactly — I am taking caffeine pills, and when I confessed this to a normie coffee drinker, I was called an addict, even though not only is the dose mere 100 grams, half of that of a Tim Hortons medium black, the pills also have L-Theanine in them, which is supposed to reduce jitteriness or something.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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There is nothing objectively wrong with drinking something you like the taste of, however, when it is coffee specifically, I believe, the utility of it is the caffeine it contains; that, and the culture around coffee-drinking makes me feel the way I described. Notice the "in my humble opinion" at the end of my message.

If the utility of it was the caffeine, what would the audience for decaf be? It should be plain that the other aspects are also important.

"other aspects" a.k.a. status signalling. Cool kids drink coffee.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Are you familiar with the process of extracting the caffeine in decaf? Unfortunately it isn't without potential downsides.

Yes, I know the four main methods of decaffeination. The haters have gone down this road with me many times. Why can't people just let me drink my decaf? It's like they can't enjoy their caffeine unless everybody does. It's weirdly pushy.

I didn't even know there were 4 methods - supposedly Swiss Water Process is the best in terms of not affecting the flavor or exposing you to exotic solvents, is one of the four superior to SWP?

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Not exactly, the article says that the effects aren't linked to caffeine, not that decaf has been shown to have the positive effects or still contain the necessary chemicals.

"This may help explain why both regular and decaffeinated coffee have been associated with similar health benefits in large population studies." --TFA

Oh I read what the parent reply says but completely misses this one. Thank you!

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

#90

"While caffeine is the major individual component of coffee, the study suggests that it may not be the primary driver of these health effects." All you haters that give me grief for drinking my daily cup of decaf can shut up now.

Hey, man, drink what you want. It doesn't change my life in any way, shape, or form. But I have to ask, have you seen the image describing where decaf coffee comes from? https://i.imgur.com/aDt06Lg.png I do find it amusing. But drink your decaf, brother, do what works for you.

What would be a healthy drink that tastes like a (sweet) coffee but without caffeine?
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