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A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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It’s 100% to prevent citizens from becoming organized. The regime is most fearful of this.

which is the exact same reason China bans Starlink.

I wonder why BYD is banned in the US. Are we afraid they'll be used to transport people to gatherings?

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

#82

We are not the good guys in iran

Wanting the ordinary Iranian civilian to have uncensored, properly functioning broadband Internet service (no better or no worse than what you have sitting in your house right now) is a good thing no matter where you stand on the topic of current military action by either side.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s 100% to prevent citizens from becoming organized. The regime is most fearful of this.

which is the exact same reason China bans Starlink.

Chinas level of internet filtration and censorship nowhere near Iran or Russia. You just buy tourist eSIM and you're golden in China and literally everyone who wants do it.

Chinese government don't care about small percent of population accessing open internet.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

#84
Netblocks has been doing some very good work tracking the presence or absence of known IP blocks previously announced by Iranian ASNs. The charts really speak for themselves.

For those who don't keep track of backbone ISP topologies: Iran has 3 or 4 major entirely government controlled ASNs which all domestic ISPs are obligated to be downstream of.

The government controlled AS run all the international transit connections (at the BGP level) and also the physical fiber/longhaul DWDM systems into a few neighboring countries. It makes it very easy to cut off all the downstream domestic only ISPs.

https://netblocks.org/

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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Should internet and outside access be cut for people of Gaza and Lebanon too? Aren’t they targeted by Israel as well?

If they could credibly threaten your infrastructure then it makes sense. If they have no real organized hacking capabilities then no. But the US has already attacked Iran through computers before with Stuxnet and is the world leader in software and networking knowledge so it does make perfect sense for Iran to disconnect its networks from outside. You might also have to consider the propaganda campaigns the US could…

To say these on HN of all places!

> consider the propaganda campaigns the US could run against an Iranian population with web access.

I’m amazed at people who have access to freely express their opinions online, prescribe that 90m people should not have the right to freely access information because they somehow can’t be trusted to not fall for propaganda. What a patronizing and self righteous take.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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which is the exact same reason China bans Starlink.

I wonder why BYD is banned in the US. Are we afraid they'll be used to transport people to gatherings?

I'm not from US, but China is certainly subsidize a lot of its manufacturers to capture global markets while not giving access to it's local market to western companies.

US is able to produce cars on its soil and there is no reason to give up this industry to foreign country.

It's pretty sane policy.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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It's not an Arab country at all . Iranians are Persian, not Arab. Iran is low-key at war with most of the gulf Arab states.

Not sure why he is being called for this (or maybe he edited his comment?) but I re-read it a couple times and he is not saying Iran is an Arab country but comparing to the other Arab countries.

It's normal. They can't debate the actual statement, so they talk about something irrelevant to derail the conversation.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

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There's multiple motives, not just counter-organization. A media blackout prevents OSINT damage analysis, much like how the IDF and CENTCOM both censor reporting of attacks on their in-theater installations.

They could easily just censor that, especially since a dictatorship has far more control over the media compared to democracies.

The OSINT is a bigger threat than the state media in Iran, hence the internet blackout.

Re: A network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout

#90

On other news, Iran is banning IPv6, UDP, DNS, ICMP to tighten the blackout https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/permanent-ban-ipv6-forced-nat...

It's no longer a ban / blacklist. It's a whitelist with extremely strict rules and DPI inspection. You can connect to example.com ONLY if it is whitelisted, and only if you use this specific IP and Port, with this specific TLS handshake fingerprint and certificate, and the first N packets follow these timing / length patterns.

A few weeks ago a very clever way to bypass the SNI whitelist was introduced [1] (SNI spoofing for cloudflare!) but it was subsequently blocked. Some claim that at this moment all outbound TCP connections are terminated inside the firewall / ISPs and therefore methods like [1] based on injecting fake or problematic TCP packets no longer work. It seems like even SYN-free TCP connections (again, breaking protocol) are no longer accessible.

[1] https://github.com/therealaleph/sni-spoofing-rust

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