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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by dghlsakjg »

throw848tjfj wrote: post #56
collingreen wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this have to do with cameras covering little kids doing gymnastics? I'm sorry you had a bad experience and using cameras to protect yourself is a thing but filming kids doing gymnastics seems very very far from purely defensive.

Because predators are even at schools! Our school gym park is used as a toilet by dog owners! I want to have video evidence, if some crazy person blames kid for provoking the attack!

That’s understandable.

Why does the video footage need to be able to be viewed live, remotely, by a sales team and a prospective client in another state?

Predators have access to these cameras. There are numerous instances of police using these systems to stalk women.

If I want video proof of what happened at a school, I’m much more comfortable with it being held on premises in a tamper evident location. That eliminates some of the predators from the situation.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by dghlsakjg »

hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #58
givemeethekeys wrote: post #48

All Flock footage should be subject to FOIA requests.

Including the footage from Flock cameras placed by private businesses on their own property?

If that data crosses onto government servers at any point, yes.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by TZubiri »

heironimus wrote: post #45
john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

I’ve seen dozens of these types of demos and it’s always live footage from a semi public place like this. It’s much easier to just show live footage rather than rig up canned looping footage. It’s pretty astonishing how no one watching the demo with me seems to care. No one asking “Hey, will you just be able to do this with our video if we buy from you?”

It's just not very concerning. The buyer presumably cares about safety and their risk model are guns. Having a vendor show a couple of seconds of live footage to a potential buyer probably doesn't rank high in their threat model.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by TZubiri »

ses1984 wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

School shootings?

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Post by TZubiri »

bluGill wrote: post #21
aleksiy123 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I’m missing something. There is someone that is making the decision right? Or are you just saying the person placing the cameras is decoupled from the person making the decision to aggregate them all. But I still feel like the accountability is on who is giving the access to sensitive cameras.

Most often the business hires a security contractor to take care of it, and signs the contract without understanding the terms. You should be able to trust your suppliers enough that you can do the above, they are the experts in the thing (cameras in this thing, but could be things like plumbing or accounting) and you have your own business to run. "Should" is key though, all too often someone doesn't do right by the…

>Most often the business hires a security contractor to take care of it, and signs the contract without understanding the terms.

The bulk of the responsibility here would lie on whoever signed I think. It's one thing to click "I agree" when you are making a SaaS account for downloading cat videos. But at a job, you are getting paid to read these things and to make informed decisions.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by chamomeal »

heironimus wrote: post #45
john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

I’ve seen dozens of these types of demos and it’s always live footage from a semi public place like this. It’s much easier to just show live footage rather than rig up canned looping footage. It’s pretty astonishing how no one watching the demo with me seems to care. No one asking “Hey, will you just be able to do this with our video if we buy from you?”

I would think they would have a real set of cameras for demos, but like in their own office or something. Not pointed at unwitting children. So dystopian

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

The camera's main selling point is instilling fear: better not misbehave, because Big Brother is watching. The creepier it is, the easier it is to sell to powerful people looking for invasive control.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by globalnode »

bogzz wrote: post #44
driverdan wrote: post #10

Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.

That little man has eroded any respect that he might have been a priori granted with his publicly documented descent into a vibecoding mania. I'm still in disbelief that the very silly photographer guy is the CEO of ycombinator. Ah well, it was a good era.

isnt it the same sort of reason you guys have actors for presidents? its about how well you can sell the message, not how good you are behind the scenes, thats what normies are for.
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