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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by LocalH »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #62
LocalH wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, AI has no place in law enforcement. It's the hammer that is being used to put screws in. It enables injustice at a far larger scale than ever before. See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. I also remember a man…

See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. As has been explained numerous times, this was a problem with the police and the courts, not AI. Get rid of bad cops first, then worry about AI.

I'd rather bad cops not be able to use AI to be worse cops, thank you. I think that's the easier task, because of qualified immunity. AI hallucination is an issue well known to happen widely.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by Zigurd »

pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

Except that's not an excuse. What it really means is that potential matches have extremely low confidence, and shouldn't be reported as matches.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by LocalH »

TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #44
pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

Law enforcement being lazy, dumb, and incompetent is not an unpredictable bug. Its predictable. The smartest human capital does not go into law enforcement in this country. They go to other industries. Flock needs to have procedures for whitelisting plates when errors are discovered because these kinds of issues are very common.

Yes, in fact, it's possible to be too smart to be a cop

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by LocalH »

calin2k wrote: post #78

the number of flock apologists comments in this post are a aberration from normal, there must be an artificial factor at play

flock employees are probably already trying to figure out who i am so they can flag me

only half /s

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by rationalist »

chimpanzee wrote: post #57
mlmonkey wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wouldn't be a story if the cops did not put the wrong license plate in the system. How is it Flock's fault? Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Let me put in simple terms: Flock flags license plates that are given to it. Someone, somewhere says, license plate "ABCD1234" has a warrant out. And guess what, if Flock sees that plate, it _will_ flag it each. and. every. time! Tomorrow, say an "Amber Ale…

> Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Well then clearly they are not a problem.

Hmm, I wonder what Flock proponents would say when immediately asked about guns, after all, it's just a machine doing what it is being asked to do!

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by LocalH »

rationalist wrote: post #85
chimpanzee wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Well then clearly they are not a problem.

Hmm, I wonder what Flock proponents would say when immediately asked about guns, after all, it's just a machine doing what it is being asked to do!

they'd only support fully AI-driven guns with zero oversight

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by dylan604 »

mlmonkey wrote: post #47
jeremywho wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI This story wouldn't exist without flock cameras constantly surveilling the public...cameras have EVERYTHING to do with this story.

This wouldn't be a story if the cops did not put the wrong license plate in the system. How is it Flock's fault? Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Let me put in simple terms: Flock flags license plates that are given to it. Someone, somewhere says, license plate "ABCD1234" has a warrant out. And guess what, if Flock sees that plate, it _will_ flag it each. and. every. time! Tomorrow, say an "Amber Ale…

I think if you are driving around in a pink Ford Taurus you are definitely guilty of something even if the plate reads MARYKAY

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #62
LocalH wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, AI has no place in law enforcement. It's the hammer that is being used to put screws in. It enables injustice at a far larger scale than ever before. See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. I also remember a man…

See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. As has been explained numerous times, this was a problem with the police and the courts, not AI. Get rid of bad cops first, then worry about AI.

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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by dylan604 »

rationalist wrote: post #85
chimpanzee wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Well then clearly they are not a problem.

Hmm, I wonder what Flock proponents would say when immediately asked about guns, after all, it's just a machine doing what it is being asked to do!

This is precisely what they mean when they say "guns don't kill people, bad people with guns kill people"

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

#90

Post by rationalist »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #62
LocalH wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, AI has no place in law enforcement. It's the hammer that is being used to put screws in. It enables injustice at a far larger scale than ever before. See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. I also remember a man…

See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. As has been explained numerous times, this was a problem with the police and the courts, not AI. Get rid of bad cops first, then worry about AI.

Why not worry about the AI and work to try to get rid of bad cops?

There is no sense in limiting yourself to doing the next-to-impossible task first.

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