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Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by parineum »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #44
parineum wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty straightforward actually. The third party doctrine [1] has been extrapolated to the digital age to the massive detriment of privacy. All it takes is for Congress to pass a law clarifying to the courts that the third party doctrine isn't correct. There's also an alteration to the interpretation of "reasonable expectation of privacy" that could be made (again, by Congress) to account for the total sum of…

A storage locker or bank deposit box is private property even if it's effectively held by a 3rd party. There's no reason the same doctrine couldn't extend to digital papers and effects.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but the third party doctrine holds because you're willingly and knowingly giving your information to said third party. I expect that the difference there is that the contents of a storage locker or safety deposit box are explicitly confidential from the company their are leased/rented from.

Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by j-bos »

randusername wrote: post #11

This man alleges Flock employees show up in the logs snooping in on private business feeds for pools, gymnastics studios, etc. https://substack.com/home/post/p-193593234 If you build it they will come.

Gives the heebeejeebies, how is it that so many companies are so casual with spying.

Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

rationalist wrote: post #56
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #29

>>media reports has identified at least 14 cases nationwide...since 2024. >>Nearly all of these officers were criminally charged and lost their jobs, either by resigning or getting fired.

> by resigning Ah, so then they just resumed another law enforcement job in the next town over like so many do, whose investigations into their criminal activity was terminated because they resigned, and because they were never charged or fired, then they have a clean record to apply elsewhere.

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Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by anonymars »

infecto wrote: post #41
anonymars wrote: post #38

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I'll join in to proffer that where they lack, it's often exactly the sort of thing you describe: some externality is missing in the price

Agree but better than the system we have today. There will always be issues with it but I think on average it would better incentivize hiring lower risk employees.

I'm agreeing with you: it would essentially be applying a missing cost to the current externalities

Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by malfist »

throwawaytea wrote: post #74
malfist wrote: post #71

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Pray tell, what speech do cameras make?

The same one that I make when I stand somewhere and describe what I see. So I hold a camera to do it more accurately. And then I get tired so I mount the camera on a trip setup instead.

I'm still not hearing any speech from the camera doing the recording. Can you tell me specifically, how recording with a camera is speech?

Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by calvinmorrison »

rationalist wrote: post #58
calvinmorrison wrote: post #47

time to get rid of license plates

These cameras record bumper stickers, dents, accessories, etc. Many vehicles can be uniquely identified by a computer without a license plate.

Do you think given how ubiquitous cameras and microphones are now, that we should change the doctrine around right to record in public, or the expectation of privacy?

For example, I have no problem with people recording in public a news cast, or even taking down a sick trick on a skateboard, but I think generally people would say ' a camera that tracks my movements' violates my privacy in some way, even though I understand someone theoretically could post agents on every block and do so

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Post by mrala »

malfist wrote: post #85
throwawaytea wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same one that I make when I stand somewhere and describe what I see. So I hold a camera to do it more accurately. And then I get tired so I mount the camera on a trip setup instead.

I'm still not hearing any speech from the camera doing the recording. Can you tell me specifically, how recording with a camera is speech?

What is your definition of speech? It seems like you are defining it literally.

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Post by greyface- »

malfist wrote: post #85
throwawaytea wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same one that I make when I stand somewhere and describe what I see. So I hold a camera to do it more accurately. And then I get tired so I mount the camera on a trip setup instead.

I'm still not hearing any speech from the camera doing the recording. Can you tell me specifically, how recording with a camera is speech?

ACLU of IL v. Alvarez (2012): "The act of making an audio or audiovisual recording is necessarily included within the First Amendment’s guarantee of speech and press rights as a corollary of the right to disseminate the resulting recording."

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Post by rocketvole »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #83
rationalist wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by resigning Ah, so then they just resumed another law enforcement job in the next town over like so many do, whose investigations into their criminal activity was terminated because they resigned, and because they were never charged or fired, then they have a clean record to apply elsewhere.

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could try lobsters, pretty much everything posted is the same

Re: Police Have Used License Plate Readers at Least 14x to Stalk Romantic Interests

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Post by joecool1029 »

Around me these Flock cameras are spreading like fleas.

Also, local psycho cop incidents seem to be on the rise. Last year a veterinarian and her bf were murdered by her ex (a state trooper) that blew his brains out after[1]. Just a month ago next town over one of the officers was arrested for placing tracking devices on his ex. [2]

Around a decade ago I was harassed through the mail after a road-rage incident (plainclothes dude ran up to my car window after I parked to go to gym and claimed I cut him off, said: 'I'll remember you, you should be more careful'). He ran my plate and sent a vaguely threatening anonymous letter to my car's registered address. I opened a case with the Somerset County prosecutor's office of internal affairs. The prosecutor's office claimed there were no hits through the federal NCIC system, but in-state there was no audit log of plates checked through NJMVC, and even if there was a smart cop (or MVC employee, lots of people have access to it) could just ask a dispatcher to run it over the radio. They claimed that this system was getting moved to the New Jersey State police and it was expected this would have an audit log. So no resolution there, I found out who the guy was years later by chance when I saw him writing parking tickets and got his name off a ticket. I informally reported it to prosecutor's office at this point and they said something to the effect of 'Yeah, nobody likes the parking enforcement guy, if he pulls shit like this again let us know and we'll put an end to it'

[1] https://nypost.com/2025/08/06/us-news/screaming-and-gunshots...

[2] https://nj1015.com/clinton-police-stalking-arrest/

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