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Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by collingreen »

firefax wrote: post #42
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ambiguous laws (which in this case are by definition impossible to comply with) which are capriciously enforced are a hallmark of authoritarian and fascist regimes. Sadly ironic, the US government used to highlight this fact: "Authoritarian regimes’ unclear laws make anyone a suspect" - https://ge.usembassy.gov/authoritarian-regimes-unclear-laws-...

If laws are ambiguous, governments run the risk folks will conclude they'll get in trouble no matter how diligently they try to suss out the spirit of said laws. When combined with a comical inability to secure government systems, it's honestly super cute that any federal agency thinks engaging in such dark patterns is in any way, shape, or form going to achieve their goals.

If the goal is chilling dissent, then it sounds like it would be working perfectly.

Your point only holds if the government is trying to act fairly on behalf of the people and actively uphold justice.

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Post by atoav »

delichon wrote: post #3

Unmarked no-fly zones at unannounced times and locations are a remarkable innovation. Hopefully they will tell you when and where you shouldn't have been when they charge you for it, but that may be classified.

Congratulations you found the key to fascism: Create vague laws that could apply to anyone, then you can pick the people who broke it. Of course you try to only pick your enemies.

Only: the person in charge of that decision is the meanest, most stupid idiot you have ever met and they envy you for your wife and want to live in your house once you have been dispossessed.

The brother of my grandfather was in jail in Germany during WWII because he offended the original Nazis. He said what roughly translates to: "Nazis are all just dumb plebs." And the thing is, he was right.

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Post by chneu »

geoduck14 wrote: post #27
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ambiguous laws (which in this case are by definition impossible to comply with) which are capriciously enforced are a hallmark of authoritarian and fascist regimes. Sadly ironic, the US government used to highlight this fact: "Authoritarian regimes’ unclear laws make anyone a suspect" - https://ge.usembassy.gov/authoritarian-regimes-unclear-laws-...

Of note, the article seems to mention 3 things: 1) Vague laws 2) Arbitrary Enforcement 3) Lack of due process All three seem to be important facts for an Authoritarian Regieme I point this out, because I believe the US has long had vague laws, and our Due Process helps kick out arbitrary enforcement. I also believe that our Checks and Balance system (part of Due Process) is currently broken

Vague laws were/are a hallmark of racist American law enforcement. It's what the US has always done.

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Post by digitalPhonix »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54
delichon wrote: post #3

Unmarked no-fly zones at unannounced times and locations are a remarkable innovation. Hopefully they will tell you when and where you shouldn't have been when they charge you for it, but that may be classified.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t think these rules would stand under the APA. Which means any criminal convictions would be thrown out.

Losing your licence and many fines are FAA administrative processes so they don’t care. No courts involved.

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Post by [deleted] »

_moof wrote: post #72
avazhi wrote: post #18

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Drones are already regulated. You aren't allowed to fly higher than 400' AGL without ATC authorization, an altitude chosen because it has special significance in the National Airspace System. Nor are you allowed to fly in the vicinity of an airport without authorization. This particular restriction we're talking about was completely unjustifiable. But the regs exist, and they aren't just made up nonsense. They're the…

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Post by t-3 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #78
t-3 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, wait that's been the entirety of this treasonous administration. That's been the case for at least 25 years. Still bad, but not new or unique to Trump. I'm too young to have a good idea of what the pre-Patriot Act American military/intelligence/secret police was like, but the historical stuff that comes to light from time to time doesn't lend much confidence that they were all that much better - they just did i…

"The authoritarianism is getting worse and more accepted" is not a great response here.

It's the truth. Would you prefer I lie and tell you everything will be okay after Trump?

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Post by watwut »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #79
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a recent high profile of a case where a woman in Tennessee was accused of a crime in North Dakota. She spent months in jail, where she lost her car, home, and her dog. She was not even in the right state, and her life was destroyed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47563384

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> it's just suddenly defense attorneys care because of the immigration/deportation angle instead of just someone losing their home, job, car, life.

1.) This has nothing to do with defense attorneys who are not available in these cases nor dealing with them.

2.) The scale of it is massively larger.

3.) The defense attorneys were actually talking about it for years, I know because I read about similar issues for years. And I am not particularly interested in legal system.

There is that rhetorical trick where people just assume that since they just learned about something, professionals dealing with these issues were oblivious too.

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Post by pjc50 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #78
t-3 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, wait that's been the entirety of this treasonous administration. That's been the case for at least 25 years. Still bad, but not new or unique to Trump. I'm too young to have a good idea of what the pre-Patriot Act American military/intelligence/secret police was like, but the historical stuff that comes to light from time to time doesn't lend much confidence that they were all that much better - they just did i…

"The authoritarianism is getting worse and more accepted" is not a great response here.

No, he's right; there's a continuous line of accepting worse and worse that runs through Guantanamo Bay. After all, if you can detain one person extra-legally in a special prison constructed to be immune from human rights, why not a million?
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