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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dijit »

Reason077 wrote: post #45
celestialcheese wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure migration is the most plausible explanation I've heard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45517173

GitHub claims that AI development tools have caused a massive surge in demand in recent months. They need to scale by 30X to keep up with demand. According to GitHub, Azure migration is the attempt at a fix/upscaling, not the underlying cause of the issues. Addressing GitHub’s recent availability issues: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/addressing-gi... An update on GitHub availability: https://github.b…

But the outages have been getting worse and worse even before anything related to AI took off.

The issue is that they're not a scrappy startup anymore, they are defacto running the internets development infrastructure and are owned by a trillion dollar company.

So the bar they're measured by has changed and they haven't even tried to keep up, paying lip service to reliability when you are critical infrastructure is not going to go well.

There were reliability issues in 2010 for sure, but it feels worse now; the period before acquisition was the most stable (2014-2017).

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dgb23 »

IshKebab wrote: post #66
carlos-menezes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add a third point: record service usage. https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

Yeah if those graphs are even vaguely accurate there's really only one explanation: vibe coders pushing previously unimaginable amount of slop. I would not be surprised if Github has to stop offering so many services for free.

Not even vibe coders, but autonomous agents/bots.

I‘ve noticed that some projects have „Claude“ as one of their top three contributors.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by OtomotO »

I find that so fascinating... I know GitHub since decades.

Over said decades I've worked on countless (open source) projects there.

Professionally? 1 project in all those years. Yes, exactly 1 (still there).

Every single other project was either in bitbucket, gitlab, gitea, forgejo or... I am sure I forgot some forge.

What I am trying to convey is: fascinating how "everything is on GitHub" is a very american way to see the world.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by yuvadam »

lpcvoid wrote: post #54
DrammBA wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can feel the frustation, nothing dramatic about expressing it This quote from the post resonated with me: > I want to get work done and it doesn't want me to get work done. I want to ship software and it doesn't want me to ship software. The sentiment is shared, and github is not the only service making me feel like that, it feels like everything on the web is more flimsy and low quality nowadays. Constant outages,…

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AI slop is downstream of enshittification

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by marginalia_nu »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #13
arn3n wrote: post #3

What do we think is more to blame for GitHub's massive decrease in quality? I've heard the following theories: 1. Increasing amount of AI-generated code in their codebase, decreasing the quality of the service. 2. Bought by Microsoft, and their bad engineering culture has spread to GitHub. Perhaps it's a bit of both.

I'd add a third point: record service usage. https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

We don't have a labeled y-axis so their record usage could be a 5% increase for all they're showing us.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by vvillena »

Reason077 wrote: post #45
celestialcheese wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure migration is the most plausible explanation I've heard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45517173

GitHub claims that AI development tools have caused a massive surge in demand in recent months. They need to scale by 30X to keep up with demand. According to GitHub, Azure migration is the attempt at a fix/upscaling, not the underlying cause of the issues. Addressing GitHub’s recent availability issues: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/addressing-gi... An update on GitHub availability: https://github.b…

Their own greed is causing their issues. They could be doing a million different things to reduce demand, but they don't want to dampen their current growth and have opted to continue scaling up at the cost of quality.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

IshKebab wrote: post #66
carlos-menezes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add a third point: record service usage. https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

Yeah if those graphs are even vaguely accurate there's really only one explanation: vibe coders pushing previously unimaginable amount of slop. I would not be surprised if Github has to stop offering so many services for free.

> if those graphs are even vaguely accurate

They aren't, of course. The Y axis is missing. GitHub didn't have 0 daily commits at the start of 2023.

https://handsondataviz.org/how-to-lie-with-charts.html#exagg...

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by senko »

On a much smaller scale (niche personal projects), I'm also planning to leave Github (probably for a local forgejo or even gitweb).

The vast majority of features GH offers are of no use to me. In fact, in the age of vibe coding, zero-friction drive-by contributions are a net negative. The UX has been steadily dropping for years. The recent abysmal record in availability and bugs is just the last drop in the bucket.

The writing was on the wall the day they were acquired. They had a good run, but those days are long over.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by ziml77 »

mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

You feel how you feel and that's totally fine.
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