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Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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I use this for networked Time Machine backups for multiple Macs in my household. Works just as well over tailscale VPN. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk

Also works for System 7 based Macintoshes. In case you got frozen in a glacier in 1991.

Nah, classic Macintosh OSes aren't compatible with modern AFP.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

I like having control over my backups.

I've been working on improving an open source menubar that wraps restic. Right now it is a bit rough around the edges, but my plan is to have a simple onboarding experience for various backend services like B2.

Over the weekend, I added a "Smart backups" feature that uses all the same directories that the backblaze menubar app and timemachine excludes. This was the primary missing feature for me. It even generates and backups your Brewfile...

https://github.com/lookfirst/ResticScheduler

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned. I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers alwa…

What format is the destination drive? My ideal is APFS clone backups to a remote drive, but I don't know if there are any network setups that support that, even though you can do it to a local drive.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

macOS Tahoe still has floppy drive support.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also works for System 7 based Macintoshes. In case you got frozen in a glacier in 1991.

Nah, classic Macintosh OSes aren't compatible with modern AFP.

They are compatible with netatalk though. The project split between version 2 and 3, but in recent releases they folded them back into a single thing. Current netatalk releases support all versions of AFP.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely . AFP and Time Capsules add attack vectors to the OS, which can be targeted even when few users actively using them. One dev could keep both basically functional, but to what end? User counts are already small, and people that aren't using them are still exposed by their mere existence. Shrinking or removing code…

> You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely. cf Linux removing old network drivers this week for the same reason (without the hand-wringing that this Apple announcement is getting!)

Is the code that Apple is removing support for open source? The Linux drivers could at least plausibly be picked up and used by someone who really wants to, so it doesn't seem to be a fair comparison

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Can't they hire an extra dev per abandoned project to not abandon it?

You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely . AFP and Time Capsules add attack vectors to the OS, which can be targeted even when few users actively using them. One dev could keep both basically functional, but to what end? User counts are already small, and people that aren't using them are still exposed by their mere existence. Shrinking or removing code…

Yes, writing and maintaining less code is great for a developer. We can follow this to the logical extreme and marvel at how easy it is to write and maintain a program whose only function is to print "hello, world" to the console. Nevermind the users, what do they matter?

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Why is it that Apple products attract blogspam titles? > Networking changes coming in macOS 27 And yet: > This year, with just over six weeks to go before that first beta of macOS 27, we already have two warnings of what might be coming. > It repeated those warnings with macOS Sequoia 15.5, but still hasn’t confirmed when AFP will be lost. > Although Apple carefully avoids being too specific, it warns that this chang…

I originally added a different title: Apple is dropping AFP/TimeMachine support in macOS 27.

It seems like somehow got overwritten to the original title of the post.

Nevertheless, knowing Apple so far, unless _some_ large-enterprise~y customer comes and objects, they will drop the support. We already know Intel support is dropping. Why not clean up rest of the things from the kernel and the userspace?

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

Yeah, can't remember the last time I even bothered with SMB because it's so buggy. Usually I don't need filesystem behavior, I'll just push/pull files over SSH.

I regret the difficulty of mounting an SSH connection as a filesystem. It requires Fuse and giving permissions to the kernel.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

Ironic, considering Linux is dropping a LOT of old devices from 7.1
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