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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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So if the weather was bad the accomplishment would mean more then? I don’t think this is how it works. Sports don’t happen in a vacuum.

Sprinting/jump performances are invalidated for world record purposes if there's over 2.0 m/s of wind assistance. There is no rule for marathons.

There is a rule for marathons to counter wind assistance, but it's basically that the finish of the race needs to be pretty close to the start.

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Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…

> Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. This seems unlikely to be true, although it is repeated in every article I read about carbon plated shoes. The people that study them in a lab environment seem to disagree. See some of the papers here: https://www.wouterhoogkamer.com/science2 However, I agree wholeheartedly with the overall points in yo…

Ooooh, interesting- I’ll take a read, thanks!

I’m guessing like most things of this nature, you’re likely to have super-responders, responders and non-responders?

Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…

I thought those carbon plate shoes were barred from competition???

Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Never thought I'd see the day ragebait made it to HN. Yes, let's pretend doing a long jump on the moon is comparable to running a marathon at its prescheduled time at its prescheduled location. Weather is always a factor in sports that take place outside. Might as well put asterisks on all accomplishments that took place on sunny days by your logic right?

It’s either scientific or it’s not. Don’t forget that two people actually ran under the two hour mark.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "scientific." If you mean exactly reproducible, then almost nothing in athletics fits that definition. Every record in baseball, football, etc. would fail that definition.

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Don’t forget Yomif Kejelcha who finished in 1:59:41, a world record up until 11 seconds prior. Amazing.

> Don’t forget Yomif Kejelcha who finished in 1:59:41, a world record up until 11 seconds prior. Amazing.

In his marathon debut too.

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A 1:59 half marathon time is achievable for pretty much anyone who doesn't have a serious physical disability and is willing to put in the necessary training. I've done it a few times and have no particular talent for running.

That's a 9m10sec per mile for 2 hours. While I'd agree that there are millions or even billions of people who could train to do that, I think it's wrong to suggest that "pretty much anyone" could do that.

My predicted half time is under 2 hours and I was sedentary for years before starting to run 9 months ago, and I'm 40 years old.

Endurance sports are quite accessible and don't require that much time, effort, or talent to get way better than the vast majority of people, it's just consistency.

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Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.

The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

Here's a random high school in Northern California. Everyone on the team is beating 16.7 seconds in the 100m. For the 1600m there are six kids with times under 4m30s and another seven with times under 4m40s, all in the last month.

https://www.athletic.net/team/770/track-and-field-outdoor/20...

* of course one mile is hardly comparable to the marathon that pros are able to sustain such speeds over...

Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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WHAT???? NO. WAY. That's not me being sarcastic. I never, ever thought this would happen

Why not? People were not far from it and have been getting closer and closer to it for years. To me it seemed almost certain that it would happen this decade or next.

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One gram of carbs is 4 calories., so more like 400 calories per hour. It was confusing when the running industry switched from calories to grams of carbs, but that's all anyone talks about now.

Because calories simply do not matter. At high intensities of working out, it's the amount of carbohydrates you can consume that allow more fuel to be burnt. "In the aerobic exercise domain up to ~100% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), CHO is the dominant fuel, as CHO-based oxidative metabolism can be activated quickly, provide all of the fuel at high aerobic power outputs (> 85-90% VO2max) and is a more efficient f…

Calories do matter (obviously, as energy intake is the entire point) but as you note the specific form that the fuel takes matters. However "carbs" is a catch all that includes plenty of things that (I assume) would be of similarly minimal use in this scenario. The calories need to take a very specific chemical form for this to work.

Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.

Yeah I can barely even ride my bike that fast much less keep that pace for two hours.

You must be crawling on your bike I'd love to see that
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