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Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by nine_k »

alwa wrote: post #75
lucid-dev wrote: post #40

New generations have new language and are attempting to define themselves through their usage of certain terminology and re-framing of words (Arduino -> Arduina). This isn't satire and it doesn't have to be dismissed. While I don't find increasing the definition and perceived uniqueness of one's personality and identity is necessarily a positive social thing, it's pretty much the most common thing in today's world -…

I share your supportive and generally charitable attitude here. I don’t have to understand the constraints they choose for themselves in order to admire that they’re working within them. For example, I had a reaction to their ethical objection: > During our initial experiments with porcelain, we were immediately aware that the higher temperatures, and therefore electric consumption, were not compatible with our stand…

What I liked about their approach is that they picked things that would otherwise be considered trash (clay and dead tree branches from under their feet) and used them in a creative and productive way.

This of course is not scalable. But hacker technology, in its original definition, is not about scalability, but about creative use of existing things.

At scale, solar electricity of course would work better, and likely standard PCB processes would even have a smaller environmental impact. But it's not the point.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by fxtentacle »

culi wrote: post #66
pron wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feminism is not femininity and so is not to be contrasted with masculinity [1]. Feminism is originally about gender (power-) equality (and so is orthogonal to femininity and masculinity), but has been extended to other forms of power equality. I think that in this context it's about concern for certain things that established practices don't show concern for. Such concern could perhaps translate to certain power dyna…

Yes, that's exactly the focus of modern feminist studies. Figures like Donna Haraway have pushed for a field of study that goes beyond identities of womanhood. > She advocates for political organizing based on "affinity"—conscious coalitions and political choices—rather than essentialist identities based on biology or shared oppression.

If the goal is to decouple feminism from feminine identities, which by definition means it then also needs to apply to masculine identities, then I think they need a new name.

Also, it appears that >99% of feminism researchers are publishing their scientific papers with a feminine name. I can easily understand why the general public might confuse the 2 groups with each other.

Which brings me back to the question: what do you think the authors hope to gain by invoking this association? Especially now that we have established that their word choice is highly likely to be misunderstood?

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by balamatom »

kube-system wrote: post #67
kennywinker wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chips were pulled from dead arduinos, not bought fresh off the production line

I know. We live in a society where both the power grid and atmegas already exist, and our individual actions are marginal in impact.

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Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by tux3 »

paulgerhardt wrote: post #69
fwipsy wrote: post #48

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What date is that? Petrochemicals aren't all stored in a big tank somewhere. My model is that there are many marginal sources which are not cost-effective to exploit, but which could be exploited with better technology or at a higher cost. I do not think we will ever extract all of these; instead, the cost of extraction will increase gradually, shifting incentives towards other energy sources. I don't think anyone re…

Some napkin math suggests July 11, 2478 AD assuming 1% annual growth and utilization of PtL / Fischer–Tropsch. Closer to March 19, 2063 if you just mean crude oil supplies only.

>assuming 1% annual growth and utilization of PtL / Fischer–Tropsch

Is that assuming a large fraction of the supply will be synthetic fuels created by electrolysis?

I would like to see the napkin. I wasn't aware synthetic fuels were on that kind of a trajectory.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by Levitz »

culi wrote: post #76
lucid-dev wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate your perspective, I'll note that for a certain group of people that I know personally, this language is NOT tongue and cheek. Though I find myself to be neither a woman nor an artist, I know people who are both - and this language is becoming more and more common as people reach for a way to set themselves apart from a social precedent and past language that they feel is neither inclusive nor repre…

It depends which language you're talking about I guess. The "Arduina" bit is clearly a joke

>The "Arduina" bit is clearly a joke

How familiar are you with subversion of gendered language in feminist spaces? Calling it an "Arduina board" would not be out of the ordinary at all.

Which, by the way, they would definitely know, and I very much doubt they are satirizing feminists.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by kube-system »

balamatom wrote: post #83
kube-system wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know. We live in a society where both the power grid and atmegas already exist, and our individual actions are marginal in impact.

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I’m just providing my perspective on an article written from a different perspective that I found interesting. I’m not looking for a fight.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by jayd16 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #17

I truly don’t understand what the hope to gain from self-classifying this is “feminist”. “FEMINIST HACKING: BUILDING CIRCUITS AS AN ARTISTIC PRACTICE – an international art-based research project financed by the Austrian Science Fund (FWF)” Doesn’t that kind of invite the worst type of trolls? They seem to imply that feminist = artistically produced, as opposed to professionally produced PCBs. So masculine = professi…

The site/group is Feminist Hacking. They happen to do a fun project and put it up.

That idea that you think these things are unnatural or an odd match is probably why it's a good idea they did it.

If it was a bee keeper group talking about Bee Keeper Hacking: Clay PCB would you be asking them to hide their identity?

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by pron »

fxtentacle wrote: post #82
culi wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's exactly the focus of modern feminist studies. Figures like Donna Haraway have pushed for a field of study that goes beyond identities of womanhood. > She advocates for political organizing based on "affinity"—conscious coalitions and political choices—rather than essentialist identities based on biology or shared oppression.

If the goal is to decouple feminism from feminine identities, which by definition means it then also needs to apply to masculine identities, then I think they need a new name. Also, it appears that >99% of feminism researchers are publishing their scientific papers with a feminine name. I can easily understand why the general public might confuse the 2 groups with each other. Which brings me back to the question: wha…

First, confusing feminism with femininity or, conversely, patriarchy with masculinity is such a basic error - and not one of nuance - that shows at least an intentional disinterest. There is no "goal to decouple", because if an ideology believes a certain group is disempowered then it strives to empower it and there is no "decoupling". But if you can't tell the difference between, say, being white and being a white supremacist, then you should probably find out what it is.

Second, every academic discipline, from history to physics, suffers from misinterpretation by "the general public", and the disciplines don't generally let this problem shape their work. Non-introductory writing doesn't cover the basics. That's what Wikipedia is for.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by Drupon »

JCTheDenthog wrote: post #26
fxtentacle wrote: post #17

I truly don’t understand what the hope to gain from self-classifying this is “feminist”. “FEMINIST HACKING: BUILDING CIRCUITS AS AN ARTISTIC PRACTICE – an international art-based research project financed by the Austrian Science Fund (FWF)” Doesn’t that kind of invite the worst type of trolls? They seem to imply that feminist = artistically produced, as opposed to professionally produced PCBs. So masculine = professi…

And it's taxpayer funded, to boot. I definitely wouldn't be happy as an Austrian if I knew my taxes were going to something like this (meanwhile hobbyists elsewhere do projects like this on their own dime).

Euros generally understand that taxes aren't purely for what they themselves want to be done.
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