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Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by arcticfox »

mvkel wrote: post #73

The output is pretty terrible. Multiple attempts to get it to generate ambient music, and every time it pumps out a terrible dubstep beat. Like a strange form of Gell Mann amnesia, where all AI output is probably this bad, but if we don't know any better, we don't know just how bad it is.

What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by minikomi »

arcticfox wrote: post #81
mvkel wrote: post #73

The output is pretty terrible. Multiple attempts to get it to generate ambient music, and every time it pumps out a terrible dubstep beat. Like a strange form of Gell Mann amnesia, where all AI output is probably this bad, but if we don't know any better, we don't know just how bad it is.

What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

Would you be willing to share some artists? I'm curious

Re: Google Flow Music

#83

Post by mh- »

_sys49152 wrote: post #78
kelseyfrog wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've summarized Supreme Court cases into Broadway musicals. The thing about memory is that novel input increases retention. So now I know about grouse hunting and explosives that fall off trains and their constitutional implications. Another was a set of songs that helped me emotionally regulate on the drive home after couples therapy. The lyrics contained grounding exercises that helped maintain awareness and presen…

turning class notes into songs for study purposes sounds like genius. never wouldve thought of it, but i could definately see value. catchy 1950's style radio commercials advertising highlights of case law to remember for an exam coming up.

I think you've got a great app idea on your hands.

By the time I finish writing this comment - yours is 10 minutes old - someone will have vibe coded one, probably.

Also feels like an easy feature for someone like Suno to add, to help subscription retention.

But something like NotebookLM emphasizing subtle mnemonic devices set to music..

Re: Google Flow Music

#84

Post by mvkel »

arcticfox wrote: post #81
mvkel wrote: post #73

The output is pretty terrible. Multiple attempts to get it to generate ambient music, and every time it pumps out a terrible dubstep beat. Like a strange form of Gell Mann amnesia, where all AI output is probably this bad, but if we don't know any better, we don't know just how bad it is.

What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

RE: Gell Mann.

I know what music I like. I said I wanted "dystopian, ambient, droning music with ear-filling, warm bass. No drums or beat."

What came out was some pretty generic dubstep that one might hear on a Verizon commercial circa 2018. Subjective, sure, but a big miss given the instructions I gave it.

Now let's say I ask it to generate code to scrape all real estate listings that were recently taken off the market. The output looks good enough to me, and I'm happy. But is the underlying architecture just as bad as the music?

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by numpad0 »

gnopgnip wrote: post #9
philringsmuth wrote: post #5

What I really hate about all of this, whether it’s music, images, video or anything else, is how much they all use the word “create.” As in, you can create the music you’ve always imagined. You. Are. Not. Creating. Anything. You are prompting. Then tweaking, changing, adjusting, etc. The tech is incredible, don’t get me wrong, but it’s advertised so blatantly as the user doing the creating. Use it as a creativity too…

How does that work with using a camera to take photos?

Dragging the camera to where it shall be.

I'm no photographer, but do anyone not have that Sidewinder seekerhead in the brain that gives you the blaring tone when a great composition is in front of you(including 3D off-boresight warnings)?

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by mh- »

filoleg wrote: post #56
jmull3n wrote: post #46

It can generate something well produced, but it's really bad at applying taste or direction in the way a human does. The workflow feels wrong. it should be closer to a DAW with chat, where the model outputs stems, samples and arrangement parts instead of one finished track. Then you could target a specific sound, section or idea and actually develop it.

I agree with your DAW UX suggestion very much. I think the writing is on the wall, and Suno is doing exactly that with their Suno Studio.

I think this wasn't done earlier because the Suno (etc.) models couldn't output stems.

They could attempt messy stem splitting like all of the other tools have done for a few years now, but those aren't really usable in a production setting beyond small samples you were already going to chop/distort.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by giancarlostoro »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #72
giancarlostoro wrote: post #31

Really not a fan of the "ChatGPT" style UI, did they even look at something like Suno at all? This is a little silly to me. The music sounds decent, I feel like its missing some things, to be fair Suno still doesn't know what a Puerto Rican guiro is. I assume a lot of these AI platforms will take many iterations. Things Suno needs to figure out and maybe Google now too, is how to let someone pick a specific voice, an…

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Hmm? I make music that I enjoy for myself, is there a problem with that? I've also made music with a DAW over the years. There's plenty of people who use real equipment to make music or DJ who use Suno. If you're going to comment like this is reddit, maybe this isn't the site for you.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by mh- »

Hammershaft wrote: post #65
mayukh wrote: post #54

Wow, such hate for anything AI. I haven't used it, I don't care to. But I have teenaged kids and I've seen them hang and tinker with tech and ai. They seem to love it. Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive

I'm sure you're right that AI augmented workflows can (& do?) produce beautiful works that I would call art... it's just that the overwhelming majority of AI 'art' I experience on the internet is slop.

I feel like I make this comment a lot, but: how do you know?

You recognize obvious slop as slop. But this is a survivor bias-like phenomenon. You have no idea what goes unnoticed.

If you're talking about stuff posted to communities that are self-selecting for AI art submissions, that's another kind of fallacy.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by vjay15 »

The songs it generates is so corporate music pilled and generic, it has no creativity of its own and even if we try to make it do something creative, it generates the same EDM style beat with no taste, well I guess stock music users rejoice, you dont need to use stock music anymore, you can create endless stock music
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