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I guess you can't imagine a free, open democratic state with rule of law either. Because when broad, independent, quality journalism with a wide audience is gone, all you'll have to worry about is that poor cat in a tree in Ottawa.
This free, open democratic state with rule of law funds broad, independent, quality journalism from the public purse: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvxgl3n138o
UK Biobank leak: Health details of 500k people offered for sale on Alibaba
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Palantir develops database software.
… As part of an explicit, openly stated mission to reshape the global political order. Palantir is indeed in many ways just a software vendor but we shouldn’t downplay that they have a much more explicit agenda than most other companies do in seeking government contracts.
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#83Re: UK Biobank leak: Health details of 500k people offered for sale on Alibaba
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The NHS does it so badly that they brought in Palantir.
... which provides software to help NHS personnel utilize their own data...
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... which provides software to help NHS personnel utilize their own data...
Yeah. The data vacuum whose CEO loves to talk about how effectively their software helps the US government kill people is exactly who should have unfettered access to extremely intimate details of many people’s existence, without their permission.
If anything, the fact the US IC, DOD, NIH, and NHS trust the software with such sensitive and operationally critical data is positive signal
Do you believe these customers don't audit systems/processes that they put their data into?
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
… As part of an explicit, openly stated mission to reshape the global political order. Palantir is indeed in many ways just a software vendor but we shouldn’t downplay that they have a much more explicit agenda than most other companies do in seeking government contracts.
Eh. I mean, the government will do what the government will do with the software it buys. We've just seen that with Anthropic. The US government wouldn't give contracts to Palantir if it seemed like its ideology didn't line up with US aims, and they wouldn't give contracts to other vendors if it seemed like their less ideological marketing meant they weren't aligned with US aims.
2) actually historically, and aspirationally, the US government isn’t supposed to be focused on ideological alignment of its vendors - the current government is anomalous and we shouldn’t normalize this.
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no, they should not, since we already know that the contract won't stop them from using that data for other purposes and other governments. A government should act in the interest of its own citizens, first and foremost, and not pretending to believe a pinky swear by a notoriously bad actor.
Why do you trust the UK government won’t do the same?
The point was that they shouldn't use contractors and keep their citizens data private. Whenever they don't do that... that's an issue. Hence the critique.
That was the norm for some time, it's just being eroded over the years and is basically entirely gone at this point
Not just in the UK for that matter...
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No, Palantir is not a "database vendor", it's an intelligence company closely working with IOF in their ongoing genocidal efforts and with DHS with mass deportations. I'd rather see Oracle than a ghoul openly supporting targeting civilians.
Doesn't Oracle (or at least Larry Ellison) openly support extermination of civilians too?
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Yeah. The data vacuum whose CEO loves to talk about how effectively their software helps the US government kill people is exactly who should have unfettered access to extremely intimate details of many people’s existence, without their permission.
Good data infrastructure can be used for all sorts of things If anything, the fact the US IC, DOD, NIH, and NHS trust the software with such sensitive and operationally critical data is positive signal Do you believe these customers don't audit systems/processes that they put their data into?
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Good data infrastructure can be used for all sorts of things If anything, the fact the US IC, DOD, NIH, and NHS trust the software with such sensitive and operationally critical data is positive signal Do you believe these customers don't audit systems/processes that they put their data into?
Do you believe the organization that whoops-leaked 500k people’s intimate health data is capable of auditing any complex technical system? Are you asserting that Palantir is no different than any other infrastructure company? Do you think that my criticism would ever apply to the US IC or the DoD? Do you think there’s any way I would approve of the NHS or NIH using Palantir based on my earlier statements? Is there a…
Yes I believe that it's possible that an organization capable of effective auditing could also leak data
> Are you asserting that Palantir is no different than any other infrastructure company?
For the most part, yes. Palantir is more effective and more "ideological" than most, but in the direction away from your implication that they're vacuuming up data and mixing it across customers
> Do you think there’s any way I would approve of the NHS or NIH using Palantir based on my earlier statements?
No, but the question was whether facts or data adjust your opinion or not, and in which direction if so. Duping one mostly-competent organization on security/privacy posture is much, much harder than duping dozens or hundreds of organizations, including the most security-competent on the planet.
> Is there a reason you’re peppering me with tangential rhetorical questions sort of poking around the premise of what I said
Because the premise of what you said is wrong. The phrase "data vacuum" is clearly meant to imply a fact pattern that just isn't true. The term "unfettered access" is not true either, as data infrastructure companies (Palantir more than most) have significant controls on their exposure to customer data.
The overall implication that people's UK health data would be somehow mixed into a US government effort to kill people is laughably wrong when you actually have to write it out explicitly instead of relying on nudge nudge wink wink.
And yes I do have a Palantir mug actually! Good guess.
Let's get concrete: have you ever actually used Palantir? Ever engaged in contract negotiations with them or set up their access controls on your own data to understand what is or is not allowed, and to what degree you have visibility and control into it?
Sorry buddy but it's you who's speaking in baseless rhetoric here.