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Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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I can't parse that sentence, can you please clarify?

Ping pong paddles have two sides, with different characteristics for each side. Now the two sides have to have different colors so your opponent can see what you are hitting it with, where before you could use the same color on both sides and your opponent wouldn't be able to tell how the ball would react

Thanks!

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#82
While the engineering behind this achievement is really impressive, it doesn't feel that important in the grand scheme of things.

We had machines "beating" humans in physical tasks for a very long time. No one would be impressed by a car winning a running competition or a construction crane lifting more weight than an Olympic weightlifting champion.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#83
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A year ago this [0] table tennis robot backed by Google DeepMind was discussed on HN. It plays much worse and the HN discussion is anchored around whether it's OK to call it "human-level" or if the authors should have clarified that they meant a human who doesn't actually play table tennis. But it was accepted as being SOTA at that time. What happened since then? This looks like the kind of level of advance we see in…

As a human player (of a not-high standard) I cannot see the spin of the ball directly. I can only infer it from the movement of my opponents bat. So I would wonder that a camera could pick it up in real time. Also IT'S TABLE TENNIS, NOT PING PONG!

Ping Pong is what you play for fun in the basement. The competitive sport is Table Tennis.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH8kZDc7OLk https://sonyresearch.github.io/ace_public/

Am I correct in my understanding that- they had specialized software that not only tracked the ball, calculated spins using the logo, and fed calculated trajectories?

Yes, using nine specialized cameras. Still very impressive but the human is overmatched on equipment alone.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#85
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Marching humanoid terminator robots will never be as cheap as a drone. Autonomous suicide drone swarms are what should terrify you.

> Marching humanoid terminator robots will never be as cheap as a drone. Autonomous suicide drone swarms are what should terrify you. If money or economics were relevant in these decisions, most wars would probably not play out in the first place. Tesla probably wouldn't be worth 1.2T. And we certainly wouldn't see AI buildouts happening at their current rates. Economics and costs only matter for normal humans, small…

It matters quite a bit. If your drone costs $1000, you can build a thousand times more of them than if a drone costs $1M. As the saying goes, quantity has a quality all its own.

This is a lesson the US has yet to learn, and its military drones are really expensive. Ukraine learned it by necessity, and now it's building millions of drones annually.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marching humanoid terminator robots will never be as cheap as a drone. Autonomous suicide drone swarms are what should terrify you.

Autonomous suicide drone swarms are easily countered by autonomous interceptor swarms. >Marching humanoid terminator robots ground bots, not necessarily marching, do have their value. They can have bulletproof armor, while still be relatively lightweight and small and fast. They can easily carry even 20-25mm autocannon - very destructive weapon, sometimes can even succeed against a real tank. And imagine when a swarm…

They can also sit in one spot guarding a position without using much battery. Ukraine recently took territory from Russian forces using ground bots, the first time it's been done without using soldiers on the ground. Now they're starting to scale the bots up to mass production.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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I don’t care about robots being better than humans at human achievement.

Would anyone ever watch Clankers play hockey against eachother at a Clanker Olympics? The idea is absurd, I want to see humans competing because they are humans not just because they are good.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#88

While the engineering behind this achievement is really impressive, it doesn't feel that important in the grand scheme of things. We had machines "beating" humans in physical tasks for a very long time. No one would be impressed by a car winning a running competition or a construction crane lifting more weight than an Olympic weightlifting champion.

The significance of ping pong is not beating humans but that it is a sport that depends on high precision, fast movement, and rapid responses. The aim of the game is to out maneuver the opponent and corner them such that they can't respond and adapt quickly enough. A robot beating a human means that it does this better, faster, and more precise. A few days ago, a bi pedal robot ran a a half marathon about eight or nine minutes faster than the fastest human can.

These are not the clumsy robots of a few years ago that could only do simple, pre-programmed tasks and had to work in fenced off areas because they had no awareness of anything around them (including fragile people) but self stabilizing, inhumanly fast running robots that can operate in any kind of environment and adapt to a wide variety of tasks. And then complete those tasks at very high precision and speed.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#89

While the engineering behind this achievement is really impressive, it doesn't feel that important in the grand scheme of things. We had machines "beating" humans in physical tasks for a very long time. No one would be impressed by a car winning a running competition or a construction crane lifting more weight than an Olympic weightlifting champion.

We’ve had chess computers better than humans for a long time now but nobody cares about that because it’s not about winning it’s about the humanity.

Re: Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

#90
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Much like the robots beating half marathon records in China recently… who cares? Cake making robots can make cakes way faster than human bakers. Cars and motorcycles go faster than bicyclists. It is a boring given that purpose made machines perform the tasks they are built to perform better than humans.

It's an amazing feat of engineering because it requires constant micro-adjustments, something that robots couldn't do a few years ago.

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