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Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by postalcoder »

slibhb wrote: post #44
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

Just chiming in to say I don't care at all about accessibility and I find it bewildering that every thread sharing some project has a comment like this.

Accessibility is a broad umbrella of features that enable a ton of really cool stuff for everybody, not just the disabled. Things like agentic computer use is only possible because of "accessibility".

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by ioseph »

TimedToasts wrote: post #51
slibhb wrote: post #44

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Just chiming in to say I don't care at all about accessibility and I find it bewildering that every thread sharing some project has a comment like this.

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How do you feel arriving at someone's house and there's no railings on the stairs? Even if it doesn't affect you (yet) it's unprofessional. We can do better

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by inetknght »

slibhb wrote: post #44
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

Just chiming in to say I don't care at all about accessibility and I find it bewildering that every thread sharing some project has a comment like this.

> chiming in to say I don't care at all about accessibility

I hope you remember that well into your adult life.

Your hearing may be lost. Even if you could still read, the website doesn't offer an accurate transcription. You have to rely on someone else (or some other tech) to transcribe. You have to hope their hearing and language skills are good enough for an accurate transcription.

Your vision may be lost. Even if you could still hear, the website doesn't offer an accurate transcription. You have to rely on someone else (or some other tech) to transcribe. You have to hope their reading comprehension and language skills are good enough for an accurate transcription.

Your limbs may be lost. Some apps let you tab around. Some apps make it impossible to find a button until you hover your mouse. Some apps simply don't load unless you press some magic keystrokes. Good luck.

You brought this problem upon yourself, 30 years ago. You brought this problem upon others. People won't care about your problems. Why should they, when you didn't care about theirs?

> I find it bewildering that every thread sharing some project has a comment like this.

Accessibility is legally required and not difficult to add.

Would you deny service to black people? Islamic people? Gay people? Refusing to provide accessibility in your service is no different. You are actively discriminating in a way which could be illegal and certainly is unethical and amoral.

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by vunderba »

simonw wrote: post #65
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

I've genuinely had solid results from telling Claude "... and make sure it has good accessibility".

I could see that. I’ve found that the more specificity you add to your prompt and less freedom you give Claude Code to kind of just “do its own thing”, the better your results will be.

FWIW, there’s also an official frontend-design skill for CC [1]. A while back I incorporated some of the more relevant guidance from WCAG into it [2].

[1] - https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/blob/main/plugins/...

[2] - https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by nomdep »

What this article calls AI design traits are design patterns that were already very common before AI: gradients, centered hero, stat banner, all-caps heading, purple accent, etc. You can blame most of them on TailwindUI and shadcn.

Are we going to call 'AI slop' everything that doesn't reinvent design from zero for a marketing page?

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by yodsanklai »

sdevonoes wrote: post #32
simonw wrote: post #8

I expect most side-projects are being built with AI-assistance now. Side projects are typically time constrained - if AI saves you time, why wouldn't you use it? They're also the ideal place to try out new AI tools that your professional work might not let you experiment with. (The headline of this piece doesn't really do it justice - it misuses "vibe coded" and fails to communicate that the substance of the post is…

For me it wouldn’t make sense to use ai. Like I work on personal projects because they are fun: it’s fun to think about a problem, to solve it, to implement a solution, to learn new things and to fantasise about what if it gets popular and useful. If I can use AI to flip my fingers and make it happen, well wheres the fun? I have my day to day job to use AI for mundane things Besides, the idea of paying 200$/month to…

You can still have fun with your side projects. AI helps, but if you want to build something nice, you still need to provide most of the intellectual input, while AI can help with the more tedious things. I have a personal project that I abandoned because it was becoming too much for me, and there were parts that I didn't enjoy doing.

I anticipate that people with a builder spirit and strong technical background are going to be able to build awesome things in the future. What the Fabrice Bellard or John Carmack of today will be able to build?

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by willchis »

slibhb wrote: post #44
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

Just chiming in to say I don't care at all about accessibility and I find it bewildering that every thread sharing some project has a comment like this.

People assume that accessibility is all about some small minority of less abled people who can't "read good", but it's a broad category that affects all users. If you build following the guidelines then you end up with a quality product that can be used by people who stumbled upon it while doom-scrolling instead of enjoying their beach vacation. The best analogy I heard was about drop-kerbs/curb-cuts... people wonder why we're catering for a small minority of wheelchair users everywhere and then they have a kid (or wheel luggage from the airport) and realize how great they are.

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by satvikpendem »

simonw wrote: post #65
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

I've genuinely had solid results from telling Claude "... and make sure it has good accessibility".

Something I've noticed when people complain about stuff like accessibility or other things that LLMs do "wrong", it really is a case of "you're holding it wrong." The LLM does indeed know how to do it right and it sometimes does so autonomously but when it doesn't, you can simply ask it to do so.

In other words, I've found people like the above to think of LLMs as fairly static, as if we couldn't change their behavior with a simple sentence, instead of complaining about it. It's strange, to me at least.

Re: Scoring Show HN submissions for AI design patterns

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Post by vunderba »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #80
vunderba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest issue with LLM‑assisted webpages (Claude Code is especially egregious) is the lack of respect for basic web content accessibility guidelines. The number of dark‑mode sites I’ve seen where the text (and subtext) are various shades of dark brown or beige is just awful. For reference, you want a contrast ratio between the text and background of at least ~4:1 to be on the safe side. This isn't even that hard t…

I think accessibility is a really admirable thing and helpful to society (like ramps or parking). But stop shoving your wants on others when you can fix it on your own. Just write a chrome plugin using ai that adjusts css to set contrast ratio of your choice. Can even use a local llm to figure out replacement colors. Accessibility that can be had on client side should not be a concern on server side.

That's a really terrible option for the vast majority of people who simply lack that kind of tech savviness to be able to do it. And in my opinion, it's kind of selfish.

It also doesn't solve the issue if somebody is browsing your site on a mobile phone where the extension might not even work properly.

WCAG is not difficult - but it does require some modicum of effort.

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