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Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Fam, what should we actually do about this? If you want to be real for a minute, we all lived through the freedom of Covid WFH. We all did dishes and billed for it. We all told ourselves 'I needed a break, it helps me think about the problem'. (And that was true, one day I was stuck on an 8 queens problem and I ran a half marathon, when I finished I had the solution) But... common everyone... we are humans. We take t…

If you feel the need to babysit your employees you probably need new employees.

Why are your seniors not unblocking your juniors? And if your seniors are complacent maybe they just need a good challenge.

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Ah yes. Only companies that are in SNP 500 matter. Also, the existence of those other companies fully absolves any people working at Facebook.

im using those as a proxy for the largest employers. If we think the people working in those companies are all bad people, that means most people full stop are bad people. If people are supposed to stop working at meta if they want to keep being a "good person" then they go work somewhere else. Can they work at any of the largest employers? can they be sure?

You keep diluting the arguments with sweeping generalizing statements and non-working analogies like "but think of people in other countries". When it's actually pretty easy:

The people worked and kept working at Facebook after these huge and small issues

- after Myanmar genocide

- after paying teenagers to spy on them through VPN

- after falsifying its ad metrics that ended up negatively affecting and outright destroying multiple publishers and creators

- after billions in dollars of fines paid over multiple breaches of user privacy, and misleading users about their privacy

And that's just off the top of my head.

- and (irony is dead) after Facebook unconditionally opted every single user, and their data, and their content on their platform into AI training

So don't give me the righteous indignant spiel about innocent workers who are just doing their jobs and are really really good at heart. Most of them chose to work for Meta despite all these things (and despite significantly more NDA things discussed inside the company that we don't know about). Many of those also chose to work on and contribute to ads, tracking, AI, surveillance etc. and all the infrastructure for it and have no moral qualms doing so. Spare me the sanctimoniousness.

Yes, many companies are morally gray. But, again, especially developers have their pick of companies they can go to. Including companies that are less morally gray. They chose Facebook.

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider." Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

"Companies should be able to bully their staff, since their staff are free to quit" is not compatible with a decent society.

"Companies should be able to offer massively addictive and manipulative websites, since their users are free to not look at them" is not compatible with a decent society either.

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider." Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

There are other methods broadly classified as self-defense that an employee can apply against a company and its officials who attack their privacy. Let Meta and its officials feel the consequences of their actions.

If it’s company equipment it’s fair game. Literally everytime I sign in it states I have no expectation of privacy while using the equipment.

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Surveillance for all

That would imply that Zuck is being surveilled.

He is using a mobile phone, his location is sold by the mobile company and can be bought for relatively cheap

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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This article is just a summary of other articles. Specifically these two more detailed ones: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/meta-to-start-capturing-emplo... https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-new-ai-tool-tracks-staf...

> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider." Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

Right on. Meta employees, fuck you for building the surveillance state we live in today. You are the fucking scourge and death of the 2000s internet. Eat shit, I care not for your "privacy concerns."

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider." Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

The majority of people working at Meta will never ever again in their lives get a job offer that good. Meta knows this and doesn't care about many of them quitting. They can currently scoop up an endless supply of developers that have memorized every single leetcode hard, system design and """behavioral""" interview question.

Ok, so this spyware is another step in the "either they comply with what we force them to do, or they quit, whichever way, for us it's a win-win" strategy, after Return To Office? And, just to make sure the employees get the point, they concurrently announce a further 10% round of layoffs? Yeah, makes sense...

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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Fam, what should we actually do about this? If you want to be real for a minute, we all lived through the freedom of Covid WFH. We all did dishes and billed for it. We all told ourselves 'I needed a break, it helps me think about the problem'. (And that was true, one day I was stuck on an 8 queens problem and I ran a half marathon, when I finished I had the solution) But... common everyone... we are humans. We take t…

> the freedom of Covid WFH That's an interesting phrase. Yes, working from home comes with more freedom over your day than working in an office. During the pandemic, though, it was largely forced as we were told you can't go to the office, or the beach, or the gym, etc. That wasn't really freedom as much as a house arrest sentence. The key here, though, is that Meta is at least claiming to be doing this to train AI n…

With enough data and time many of those jobs will be rendered obsolete.

Re: Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs

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This article is just a summary of other articles. Specifically these two more detailed ones: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/meta-to-start-capturing-emplo... https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-new-ai-tool-tracks-staf...

> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider." Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

got two words for you - money
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