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Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#81

Alcohol costs the UK 4-5x more than smoking. Coincidentally, it's the upper classes drug of choice. Must be a coincidence though

At least alcohol produces side effects that people enjoy. Smoking pretty much only has negative side effects once you get hooked.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s still a difference, surely? Drinking alcohol can lead to drunk driving and it can lead to abuse. Thankfully in the vast majority of instances it doesn’t. Second hand smoke, however, inflicts damage the moment it’s inhaled.

Oh, the hysteria people get over smelling a whiff of secondhand smoke. While you walk down a street full of diesel trucks, inhaling microplastics, microwaving your food in plastic, drinking water from plastic bottles, eating processed foods with nitrates, corn sugar soaked in round-up, standing out in the sun, getting body scans and dental X-rays. You know the only people who got lung cancer from secondhand smoke wer…

> purely a product of decades of expensively paid-for indoctrination

No, it's because being around a smoker is deeply unpleasant.

I'm old enough to remember going out before the indoor smoking ban took effect. The next morning I'd step into the shower and the smell of smoke would fill the bathroom as I washed it out of my hair. I would have a sore throat. It was all absolutely disgusting and we're so much better off where we are today. I'm sorry that your vice of choice is such a gross one.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#83
In a few years, they'll realize that the savings from public health care now requires an an even higher amount of money poured into the police, customs and justice systems to enforce it. Because suddenly, there are these weirdos trying to sell it in dark places. Who could anticipate that?

But that's for another government to deal with, of course. Not our problem. Oh, and the future government will be happy to announce they are giving funding that will go to new jobs!

I propose a ban on people that use bans as a brain-less cheap way of fixing complex issues.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#84
Oh yeah, banning people who can't vote yet, genius.

I think next we should ban them from eating butter, and you know, riding mountain bikes. Just protecting them you know.

What about us? Oh us, we're addicted, so... Well, you just can't take that away from us, can you? I mean there would be riots. But the kids, they wouldn't know what they're missing, right?

This is such a weird law. I doubt this would be constitutional in France. You can't just pass a law that affects some people but not others. It's against the principle of equality.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#85

In a few years, they'll realize that the savings from public health care now requires an an even higher amount of money poured into the police, customs and justice systems to enforce it. Because suddenly, there are these weirdos trying to sell it in dark places. Who could anticipate that? But that's for another government to deal with, of course. Not our problem. Oh, and the future government will be happy to announc…

> an even higher amount of money poured into the police

Given the massive cost smoking imposes on the health sector, I find it hard to believe that's remotely possible.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#86

In a few years, they'll realize that the savings from public health care now requires an an even higher amount of money poured into the police, customs and justice systems to enforce it. Because suddenly, there are these weirdos trying to sell it in dark places. Who could anticipate that? But that's for another government to deal with, of course. Not our problem. Oh, and the future government will be happy to announc…

This enforcement costs argument is wrong. The point is not to enforce such a ban, it's to signal where the collective consensus is.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#88

Natural consequence of socialized medicine. If I’m paying for your healthcare then I (and by extension the state) get a say in basically every aspect of your life. Time to ban alcohol, marijuana, Tylenol, fatty foods, sugar, candles, campfires, fireworks, food coloring, bicycles, playgrounds, cars, cell phones, and anything else that might be harmful

Enjoy setting up a GoFundMe if you ever get cancer.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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There are two separate issues here: 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) 2. is this something the UK government should be doing Setting aside 1 and looking at 2, it seems silly to me to point out that other things (alcohol) that cause problems and are not being restricted. You take the wins where you find them, and the government isn't a magical force that can impose its will on the people arbitrarily. This i…

From the government's perspective, this may (or may not) be silly. But putting that aside, if a citizen supports banning cigarettes for people born after a certain date, but not alcohol, that certainly seems hypocritical to me.

Incremental change isn't a thing? Focusing on one health area, which will certainly be a massive undertaking, instead of trying to wipe out all unhealthy things at the same time?

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

#90
post #6

Drinking has been decided to be totally fine though, no need to ban that - probably because it's unfashionable to smoke, and the kind of people who come up with these laws find it uncouth. It will also be ridiculous in a few years when the UK inevitably decides to legalise marijuana - totally fine to smoke a joint, but don't you dare put any of that tobacco in it!

Drinking has been declining on its own.
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