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Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by Jensson »

fwip wrote: post #56
rogerrogerr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but that’s not “slaughter a stadium of people with drones” evil or “poison the water supply” evil or “take out unprotected electrical substations” evil. So much infrastructure is very soft because the evil people aren’t smart enough to conceive of or conduct an attack.

I think you might find that, if you reconsider who the 'evil' people are, you might find that we're already doing that sort of thing.

Its not capitalists doing that though, its politicians, and politicians in non capitalist countries tend to be more evil.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by fwip »

Jensson wrote: post #81
fwip wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might find that, if you reconsider who the 'evil' people are, you might find that we're already doing that sort of thing.

Its not capitalists doing that though, its politicians, and politicians in non capitalist countries tend to be more evil.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't any non-capitalist countries currently waging war on others.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by ben_w »

fwip wrote: post #82
Jensson wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not capitalists doing that though, its politicians, and politicians in non capitalist countries tend to be more evil.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't any non-capitalist countries currently waging war on others.

Capitalism is a continuum, not a binary, hence occasional discussion "China is communist!" "No, it is state-capitalism!"

Is Russia currently capitalist, or non-capitalist? Which is Myanmar?

Anyway, personally I think it's the wrong axis; while capitalism and democracy and free press are often correlated, I think that the latter two are the important ones for actually choosing the lesser evils, though capitalism does generate more options to choose between.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by deflator »

hgoel wrote: post #79
deflator wrote: post #39

Model Welfare? Are they serious about this? Or is it just more hype? I really don't trust anything this company says anymore. "We have a model that is too dangerous to release" is like me saying that I have a billion dollars in gold that nobody is allowed to see but I expect to be able to borrow against it.

Maybe referring to it as welfare is odd, but these points are important. It isn't a good look to have a model that tends to get into self-deprecating loops like one of Google's older models, it's an even worse look and potential legal liability if your model becomes associated with a suicide. An overly negative chat model would also just be unpleasant to use. With the weights being mostly opaque, these kinds of evalu…

I feel that anthropomorphizing the model is also potentially very harmful. We've seen that in the LLM interactions that end in tragedy. It's the wording that bothers me.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by dkhenry »

make3 wrote: post #76
dkhenry wrote: post #26

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You make a compelling argument, but thankfully I have data to back up my anecdotal experience This comparison shows them neck and neck https://benchlm.ai/compare/claude-sonnet-4-5-vs-gemma-4-31b As Does this one https://llm-stats.com/models/compare/claude-sonnet-4-6-vs-ge... And the pelican benchmark even shows them pretty close https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/2/gemma-4/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Sep/29/claud…

if you look at the details of the numbers of the benchmarks that you shared, Sonnet 4.5 crushes gemma 4. Somehow the first link doesn't run Sonnet on the multi modal benchmark, that's why the top score looks close, it beats Gemma at every benchmark they actually ran. The arena in the second shows that it actually destroys Gemma 4 as well, not close

The second one is Sonnet 4.6 not 4.5. If you change it to 4.5 Gemma 4 actually beats 4.5

Re: Claude Opus 4.7 Model Card

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Post by msla »

bachittle wrote: post #25

So Opus 4.7 is measurably worse at long-context retrieval compared to Opus 4.6. Opus 4.6 scores 91.9% and Opus 4.7 scores 59.2%. At least they're transparent about the model degradation. They traded long-context retrieval for better software engineering and math scores.

Also, just to be clear: This links to a PDF, for some reason.
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